MY GAY-RIGHTS CARTOON IS ..... UH .....
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======== Subject: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: Frank Martinez Lester Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 13:04:31 -0700 [[A simple no is not what you posted.. Of course you conveinently snipped that part of the post and, as your pattern, refused to answer the question. When someone starts a post, "Ok Mr. Tough Talker..." it bespeaks of some pent up hostility. You also conveinently snipped the reasons I didn't respond to your previous request, without addressing them. Mr. Krahlin, these are not the actions of a warrior, or a person with honor.>> He does the same thing to anyone who differs with him. It's his modus operandi. He is the self-appointed arbiter of all that is right, he is the savior of mankind, he is the Almighty Krahlin. [[So, if I don't act in the exact manner you subscribe, read gay newspapers, or even care to, then I'm not gay supportive...? I don't need to refer to anything in it, I don't need to send this letter. I never claimed to have thrown myself headlong into the gay cause. I do what I can, when I can. If that's not good enough for you, tough.>> Nothing is good enough for the Almighty Krahlin. ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: K.Spencer Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 02:42:17 GMT On Mon, 07 Sep 1998 13:04:31 -0700, Frank Martinez Lester wrote: > I never claimed to have thrown myself headlong into the gay cause. > I do what I can, when I can. If that's not good enough for you, tough. > Nothing is good enough for the Almighty Krahlin. > FUCK HIM! As so many others have. He's as useless as tits on a boar hog. ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 08:46:05 GMT On Tue, 08 Sep 1998 02:42:17 GMT, K.Spencer wrote: >He's as useless as tits on a boar hog. You would know. --- Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm --- My website kicks (but never licks) butt! http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: look@my.sig4address (Magenta) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 17:46:42 GMT In [[35f79069.11429708@nntp.sj.bigger.net>> ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) doth speak: >On Tue, 08 Sep 1998 02:42:17 GMT, K.Spencer >wrote: > >>He's as useless as tits on a boar hog. > >You would know. Um, you just accused him of NOT using the tits of a boar hog. Are you claiming that you do, in fact, use the tits of a boar hog? Whatever for? -- +----- Peace & Love, ----+------- Magenta77 (at) AOL (dot) com ------+ | /| /| _ _ _ _-|-_ |"There are more things in heaven and earth,| | / |/ |(_|(_|(/_| )|(_| |...Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." | |_________ _/ __________|_________________--[Hamlet Act I: Scene V]_| ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: Nicole Lasher Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 09:16:21 +0200 Frank Martinez Lester wrote: > Nothing is good enough for the Almighty Krahlin. > > Yeah, and how many loves of your life have died recently? I ask you, how would you feel, or react, if you had to watch people you loved die slowly? What if their deaths had a cause? Would you not try to do something about it? Have you ever watched someone, or some agency, or some "system" slowly crush the life out of someone who was dear to you? Or maybe you've never had anyone who was that dear to you? Try to learn something about the people you are talking to. ~Niki ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: jmnorthw@gte.uce_is_icky.net (J. Northwood) Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 10:36:50 GMT On Tue, 08 Sep 1998 09:16:21 +0200, Nicole Lasher wrote: >Yeah, and how many loves of your life have died recently? < sob > Oh, oh dear. < snif > So, so terribly sad, isn't it? Grow up, wench. How many "loves" have you had die at all? First "fiancee", or whatever you'd like to call it? First "date"? No? Gee, I win. >I ask you, how would you feel, or react, if you had to watch people you >loved die slowly? Been there, done that, cared for him for five years. My father in law. He died Christmas Eve, 1995. by the last eight months he couldn't walk more than three steps, and even that was with support. By the last two months, he couldn't keep solid food down. This man who had never cried in his life was sobbing with the effort of breathing, blubbering over the pain and crying about how he just wanted to die and get it over with. He was wearing diapers because he had no bladder or bowel control. He was on suppositories to quell the nausea, and a bland liquid diet they _hoped_ would stay down -- sometimes, and only sometimes, it did. And I was there for him, through the last day. I helped get his body ready for transport. I helped get the family through their crises, not giving myself time to grieve, because they needed me as much as I needed him. Don't talk to me about loss, lass. Between my friends who've died of AIDS, some who've suicided over "life issues", one who's still in a mental institution after her father raped and tried to strangle her, my family situation . . . yeah, I think I can play the "sympathy" game rather effectively. Guess what? I don't give a flying fuck at a rolling doughnut as to whether or not little Krahlin had an owie on his psyche from his lover dying. He's acting like a fucking jackass -- a sick, demented, fucking jackass. And you're there holding his hand and telling him it's all okay, and he's oh so sure to be right. Bullshit. So he's "disabled". Well guess what, princess? I'm on a mixture of medications for both physiological and psychophysiological issues. If I didn't take them, I, too, would be more than eligible for disability. Right now, if I chose, I could apply and most likely be accepted due to a degenerative knee condition -- I'll probably be looking at a replacement or a wheelchair within five years. So the fuck what? I'm living my life, and everyone here who's responded to you and your little friend are living theirs. He wants to be a separatist? Fine. Let him leave. We've offered him the money and he claims to have a passport. Let's see him keep his word for once -- let's see him _prove_ what he's saying. He won't, though, and we all know it. You know it, too. >What if their deaths had a cause? And what if they didn't? Or what if they had a cause, but there was no damn _reason_ they should have died? Tony didn't need to have his cycle throttle stick, sending him tearing through a barbed-wire fence at sixty miles an hour. He was two days past sixteen years old -- the bike was a birthday present from his parents He died less than twenty minutes after leaving his girlfriend's house. I got to "identify" the corpse. Happy birthday, Tony. >Would you not try to do something about it? Yeah, but there's a hell of a lot more that one can do besides bitch and carp about how bad life's treating them. >Have you ever watched someone, or some agency, or some "system" slowly crush >the life out of someone who was dear to you? Oooooh. The big, bad system. The evil, naughty empire that crushes the soul. Oooooh. Better get into your bunker and seal it after you while you have the chance, Ms.survivalist. >Or maybe you've never had anyone who was that dear to you? Or maybe they've actually got the moral fibre to take responsibility for themselves, the courage to make something of themselves and the inner strength to go on when it feels like the world's crashing around you day after day after day. Ever think of that? >Try to learn something about the people you are talking to. Pot. Kettle. Oh, fuck it. You know the routine. B'sides, _you're_ the one claiming to be a mediator. Then again, your little pal claims to be possessed by Angels. I'm looking at both statements, here. And you know what? I'm laughing. ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: Frank Martinez Lester Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 08:51:27 -0700 [[B'sides, _you're_ the one claiming to be a mediator. Then again, your little pal claims to be possessed by Angels. I'm looking at both statements, here. And you know what? I'm laughing.>> Thank you, Northwood. I'm laughing with you. ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: jmnorthw@gte.uce_is_icky.net (J. Northwood) Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 07:42:31 GMT On Tue, 08 Sep 1998 08:51:27 -0700, Frank Martinez Lester wrote: >Thank you, Northwood. I'm laughing with you. "Laugh, and the world laughs with you. Cry, and your nose runs." - Laughing Cow Cheese Slogan ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: Nicole Lasher Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 03:00:03 +0200 J. Northwood wrote: > On Tue, 08 Sep 1998 09:16:21 +0200, Nicole Lasher > wrote: > > >Yeah, and how many loves of your life have died recently? > > < sob > Oh, oh dear. > > < snif > So, so terribly sad, isn't it? > > Grow up, wench. > > How many "loves" have you had die at all? First "fiancee", or > whatever you'd like to call it? First "date"? No? Well, I.... > Gee, I win. Nevermind...apparently, you didn't want to know. > >I ask you, how would you feel, or react, if you had to watch people you > >loved die slowly? > > Been there, done that, cared for him for five years. > > My father in law. He died Christmas Eve, 1995. > > by the last eight months he couldn't walk more than three steps, and > even that was with support. By the last two months, he couldn't keep > solid food down. This man who had never cried in his life was sobbing > with the effort of breathing, blubbering over the pain and crying > about how he just wanted to die and get it over with. He was wearing > diapers because he had no bladder or bowel control. He was on > suppositories to quell the nausea, and a bland liquid diet they > _hoped_ would stay down -- sometimes, and only sometimes, it did. And > I was there for him, through the last day. I helped get his body > ready for transport. I helped get the family through their crises, > not giving myself time to grieve, because they needed me as much as I > needed him. Mm-hmm...and you are the *only* one who has been through this...Yup... ::beginning to lose interest in bothering:: > Don't talk to me about loss, lass. Between my friends who've died of > AIDS, some who've suicided over "life issues", one who's still in a > mental institution after her father raped and tried to strangle her, > my family situation . . . yeah, I think I can play the "sympathy" game > rather effectively. Yup, and *I*, of course, to your rather limited knowledge of me, have *never* had to experience *anything* close to being sexually assaulted or strangled...Oh yeah...I'm just a perfect little lady with a perfect little life, and a perfect little set of Dick and Jane life experiences... ::dodging lightning:: > Guess what? I don't give a flying fuck at a rolling doughnut as to > whether or not little Krahlin had an owie on his psyche from his lover > dying. He's acting like a fucking jackass -- a sick, demented, > fucking jackass. And you're not acting like one now? > And you're there holding his hand and telling him it's all okay, and > he's oh so sure to be right. Have you been tracking our email? Oh, then you know I ALWAYS agree with Ezekiel...He's my idol. I never have a word to say against anything he says...It's all okay with me...Yup. You know it all, J. Tell us more, please. I'm dying to hear more about my life. > Bullshit. > > So he's "disabled". Well guess what, princess? I'm on a mixture of > medications for both physiological and psychophysiological issues. If > I didn't take them, I, too, would be more than eligible for > disability. Right now, if I chose, I could apply and most likely be > accepted due to a degenerative knee condition -- I'll probably be > looking at a replacement or a wheelchair within five years. > > So the fuck what? So maybe you should consider joining the fight? > I'm living my life, and everyone here who's responded to you and your > little friend are living theirs. As I am living mine...And Ezekiel is living his...HIS way, not your way. > He wants to be a separatist? Fine. Let him leave. We've offered him > the money Did you actually send it? > and he claims to have a passport. Let's see him keep his > word for once -- let's see him _prove_ what he's saying. You do realize that then, you would be under the same burden of proof...and proving opinions is damn near impossible for most of us feeble- brained, delusional, non-experienced, plebians...Perhaps you can enlighten us on how you have managed to do something no debator has been able to do since the dawn of language? > He won't, though, and we all know it. You know it, too. I don't know it, and you don't either, unless you're psychic...::cough:: But maybe he says that because that's what he wants, but there's also a part of him that wants to make "Amerika" a more home-like home before he gives up totally? > >What if their deaths had a cause? > > And what if they didn't? > > Or what if they had a cause, but there was no damn _reason_ they > should have died? > > Tony didn't need to have his cycle throttle stick, sending him tearing > through a barbed-wire fence at sixty miles an hour. He was two days > past sixteen years old -- the bike was a birthday present from his > parents He died less than twenty minutes after leaving his > girlfriend's house. > > I got to "identify" the corpse. > > Happy birthday, Tony. Of course, I can't identify with this because nobody I ever loved has died...Nope, not one...::damned lightning...:: > >Would you not try to do something about it? > > Yeah, but there's a hell of a lot more that one can do besides bitch > and carp about how bad life's treating them. Incoming Cliche: Sometimes talking about it helps...It seems to be helping you, even if you think you're just taking shots at me. Now I know you a little better, and I know what not to push you about in the future. > >Have you ever watched someone, or some agency, or some "system" slowly crush > >the life out of someone who was dear to you? > > Oooooh. The big, bad system. The evil, naughty empire that crushes > the soul. Oooooh. > > Better get into your bunker and seal it after you while you have the > chance, Ms.survivalist. You have a problem with survivalism? Why? > >Or maybe you've never had anyone who was that dear to you? > > Or maybe they've actually got the moral fibre to take responsibility > for themselves, the courage to make something of themselves and the > inner strength to go on when it feels like the world's crashing around > you day after day after day. > > Ever think of that? No, no I have never thought about taking responsibility for myself...It's much too much fun to use the things I've been through...wait...that I *haven't* been through, as far as you are concerned ::stop with the lightning already:: to pound people over the head with. I like to assume that nobody who is actually concerned with my wellbeing has ever felt pain. ::cough:: > >Try to learn something about the people you are talking to. > > Pot. Kettle. Oh, fuck it. You know the routine. And yet you still answered the questions. So some part of you probably knows that they were not meant as insults, but as questions, which is why the inquiry came before the advice. You just don't want to let yourself believe that I actually wanted answers, so you textually beat me over the head with them, which is exactly what I expected you to do. I'm good at getting what I want...What I wanted was an idea of why you are so hostile towards Ezekiel in particular, and now me, though I have never called you out of your name (which is a better courtesy than you have afforded me). > B'sides, _you're_ the one claiming to be a mediator. Well, I tried, but one side became hostile towards me for doing so. > Then again, your little pal claims to be possessed by Angels. So do lots of people. They're all over the place, but many concentrations can be found in India, South America, Central America, Africa, Japan, Thailand, Singapore, etc...You going to ridicule 2/3 of the world's population for being possessed by spirits on occasion? That's alot of people to ridicule. Why aren't you in the Voodoo and Santeria newsgroups telling them that they are all schizophrenic, psychotic, and paranoid? > I'm looking at both statements, here. > > And you know what? > > I'm laughing. I wish I could share your sentiments, but I cannot. I would offer my hand in friendship and comraderie for the survival of some awful shit in life, but you, apparently, don't want it...since I'm so P.C. arrogant, and inexperienced and all... Just forget I exist...It should be easy. You know nothing about me. ~Niki ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: jmnorthw@gte.uce_is_icky.net (J. Northwood) Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 05:59:37 GMT On Wed, 09 Sep 1998 03:00:03 +0200, Nicole Lasher wrote: >J. Northwood wrote: >> On Tue, 08 Sep 1998 09:16:21 +0200, Nicole Lasher >> wrote: >> >Yeah, and how many loves of your life have died recently? >> < sob > Oh, oh dear. >> < snif > So, so terribly sad, isn't it? >> Grow up, wench. >> How many "loves" have you had die at all? First "fiancee", or >> whatever you'd like to call it? First "date"? No? >Well, I.... >> Gee, I win. >Nevermind...apparently, you didn't want to know. Oh please. You've never let someone making a statement stop you from prattling on before. Impress us all with how much worse your life has been. Children, I think, is the issue you brought up with Frank, isn't it? >> >I ask you, how would you feel, or react, if you had to watch people you >> >loved die slowly? >> Been there, done that, cared for him for five years. >> My father in law. He died Christmas Eve, 1995. >> by the last eight months he couldn't walk more than three steps, and >> even that was with support. By the last two months, he couldn't keep >> solid food down. This man who had never cried in his life was sobbing >> with the effort of breathing, blubbering over the pain and crying >> about how he just wanted to die and get it over with. He was wearing >> diapers because he had no bladder or bowel control. He was on >> suppositories to quell the nausea, and a bland liquid diet they >> _hoped_ would stay down -- sometimes, and only sometimes, it did. And >> I was there for him, through the last day. I helped get his body >> ready for transport. I helped get the family through their crises, >> not giving myself time to grieve, because they needed me as much as I >> needed him. >Mm-hmm...and you are the *only* one who has been through this...Yup... >::beginning to lose interest in bothering:: Let's see . . . you said "I ask you, how would you feel, or react, if you had to watch people you loved die slowly", and I answered as you quoted above. Now you're "beginning to lose interest in bothering". Why? Don't like it when you're caught out? Get out of mediation, then, lass, 'cause you won't last ten days as a professional. >> Don't talk to me about loss, lass. Between my friends who've died of >> AIDS, some who've suicided over "life issues", one who's still in a >> mental institution after her father raped and tried to strangle her, >> my family situation . . . yeah, I think I can play the "sympathy" game >> rather effectively. >Yup, and *I*, of course, to your rather limited knowledge of me, have *never* had >to experience *anything* close to being sexually assaulted or strangled...Oh >yeah...I'm just a perfect little lady with a perfect little life, and a perfect >little set of Dick and Jane life experiences... >::dodging lightning:: Excuse me, missy, but where did I say that? Nowhere? You're right. Stop reading into my words issues over which you wish to fight. If you're going to be an apologist for someone who's admitted to lying for the express purpose of "pushing buttons" and "proving a point", at least pretend to have the decency to read what others write and respond to the statements as written. >> Guess what? I don't give a flying fuck at a rolling doughnut as to >> whether or not little Krahlin had an owie on his psyche from his lover >> dying. He's acting like a fucking jackass -- a sick, demented, >> fucking jackass. >And you're not acting like one now? Gee -- I don't know. You're the mediator, look at it from _my_ side. Tell me what you see. >> And you're there holding his hand and telling him it's all okay, and >> he's oh so sure to be right. >Have you been tracking our email? No, just your public justification for his position on this newsgroup. >Oh, then you know I ALWAYS agree with >Ezekiel...He's my idol. I never have a word to say against anything he >says...It's all okay with me...Yup. You know it all, J. Tell us more, please. >I'm dying to hear more about my life. Sarcasm ill becomes you, little one. Learn to use it effectively before attempting it on one who knows better. >> Bullshit. >> So he's "disabled". Well guess what, princess? I'm on a mixture of >> medications for both physiological and psychophysiological issues. If >> I didn't take them, I, too, would be more than eligible for >> disability. Right now, if I chose, I could apply and most likely be >> accepted due to a degenerative knee condition -- I'll probably be >> looking at a replacement or a wheelchair within five years. >> So the fuck what? >So maybe you should consider joining the fight? What, and live in an isolation tank away from the world? I think not. Thank you, I'll continue to live in the real world, deal with issues as they arise and do my damndest to ensure that everyone's got a fair shake under the law. Then again, maybe that's because I can see beyond the end of my agenda. >> I'm living my life, and everyone here who's responded to you and your >> little friend are living theirs. >As I am living mine...And Ezekiel is living his...HIS way, not your way. And good for him. The difference is that I'm not telling all homosexuals they're wrong for being homosexuals. I'm not the one saying they should be ashamed of who or what they are. I'm not the one questioning the competence and abilities and skills and souls of each and every person with whom I disagree. Mr. Krahlin can live his life as he wishes, but when he gets in my face, he's getting his attitude thrown back at him. >> He wants to be a separatist? Fine. Let him leave. We've offered him >> the money >Did you actually send it? Considering he has yet to send an address, no. If he's willing to sign a contract that the monies sent will be used to purchase a one-way ticket out of America, then yes, I will somehow scrape up $50 to contribute to the cause. Before you, or he, cavils at the "low amount" and "token effort", that's our food budget for a week. We're a (close to) single-income household. I'll give what I can afford -- just like I do to charities and just like I do for family. >> and he claims to have a passport. Let's see him keep his >> word for once -- let's see him _prove_ what he's saying. >You do realize that then, you would be under the same burden of proof... Of _WHAT_? What have I claimed that I haven't made an effort to prove? I'm not the one saying "I'm leaving Amerika . . . I've got my passport all ready . . ." He is. >and >proving opinions is damn near impossible for most of us feeble- brained, >delusional, non-experienced, plebians... He stated that he has a passport. He's stated that, had he the money, he'd leave "Amerika". Those aren't opinions, lass, they're statements of (supposed) fact. To prove them, he merely has to take the money, buy a ticket and leave. >Perhaps you can enlighten us on how you >have managed to do something no debator has been able to do since the dawn of >language? What, shown someone how to board a plane? It's not that difficult, really. Would you like a diagram? >> He won't, though, and we all know it. You know it, too. >I don't know it, and you don't either, unless you're psychic...::cough:: My, you certainly know how to be an effective mediator, and see both sides of the issue . . . < cough > >But maybe he says that because that's what he wants, but there's also a part of >him that wants to make "Amerika" a more home-like home before he gives up >totally? Not based on his words. >> >What if their deaths had a cause? >> And what if they didn't? >> Or what if they had a cause, but there was no damn _reason_ they >> should have died? >> Tony didn't need to have his cycle throttle stick, sending him tearing >> through a barbed-wire fence at sixty miles an hour. He was two days >> past sixteen years old -- the bike was a birthday present from his >> parents He died less than twenty minutes after leaving his >> girlfriend's house. >> I got to "identify" the corpse. >> Happy birthday, Tony. >Of course, I can't identify with this because nobody I ever loved has >died...Nope, not one...::damned lightning...:: And did I say you couldn't? You're setting up straw men, lass. Typical fundamentalist ploy, and hardly surprising in this circumstance, but not very honest of you. Then again, that's hardly surprising either. >> >Would you not try to do something about it? >> Yeah, but there's a hell of a lot more that one can do besides bitch >> and carp about how bad life's treating them. >Incoming Cliche: Sometimes talking about it helps...It seems to be helping you, >even if you think you're just taking shots at me. I hardly think I'm "just taking shots at [you]." Talking about it helps, yes. So does _doing_ something about it. >Now I know you a little better, and I know what not to push you about in the >future. Really? Then you'll stop reading into my words things I haven't said, begin performing as a mediator (or counselor) ought and stop being so snide when people disagree with you? Good. >> >Have you ever watched someone, or some agency, or some "system" slowly crush >> >the life out of someone who was dear to you? >> Oooooh. The big, bad system. The evil, naughty empire that crushes >> the soul. Oooooh. >> Better get into your bunker and seal it after you while you have the >> chance, Ms.survivalist. >You have a problem with survivalism? No. >Why? Why do you ask? >> >Or maybe you've never had anyone who was that dear to you? >> Or maybe they've actually got the moral fibre to take responsibility >> for themselves, the courage to make something of themselves and the >> inner strength to go on when it feels like the world's crashing around >> you day after day after day. >> Ever think of that? >No, no I have never thought about taking responsibility for myself...It's much >too much fun to use the things I've been through...wait...that I *haven't* been >through, as far as you are concerned ::stop with the lightning already:: to pound >people over the head with. Let's see -- you publicly support Mr. Krahlin with his vitriolic diatribes, you make an assumptive statement (ne: "maybe you've never had anyone who was that dear to you?"), and yet you have the temerity to quibble over what someone says in refutation of your bunk. Again, Miss Lasher, not very sporting, not very honest, and all too typical. >I like to assume that nobody who is actually concerned with my wellbeing has ever >felt pain. ::cough:: It shows. >> >Try to learn something about the people you are talking to. >> Pot. Kettle. Oh, fuck it. You know the routine. >And yet you still answered the questions. So some part of you probably knows >that they were not meant as insults, but as questions, which is why the inquiry >came before the advice. They were phrased in an insulting fashion. I sincerely hope you've reconsidered your career choice -- I shudder to think of what your clients would face if they disagreed with one of your little friends or your pet theories. >You just don't want to let yourself believe that I >actually wanted answers, so you textually beat me over the head with them, which >is exactly what I expected you to do. Ah, yes. You were, what's the phrase, "pushing my buttons". So _you're_ psychic? You knew (or expected) that I'd answer your "questions" to someone else. Oh, mighty Lasher, enlighten us with your wisdom, pray. What _are_ the upcoming PowerBall numbers? I have a bunker to build. >I'm good at getting what I want...What I wanted was an idea of why you are so >hostile towards Ezekiel in particular, Because he is reaping what he has sown. >and now me, See above. >though I have never called you >out of your name (which is a better courtesy than you have afforded me). I'm afraid I don't understand what you're saying here. Do you mean my use of "lass"? >> B'sides, _you're_ the one claiming to be a mediator. >Well, I tried, but one side became hostile towards me for doing so. Ah. Will that be your excuse if you follow through with your career? "Well, I tried to mediate, but . . . . . . but they were all poopy-heads." Yes, I can certainly see rapid career advancement in your future. >> Then again, your little pal claims to be possessed by Angels. >So do lots of people. Within a religious context, yes, there are a number; however, there are a far more limited number of those who claim and admit to psychological dysfunction and use it as an excuse for their "channeling". >They're all over the place, but many concentrations can be >found in India, South America, Central America, Africa, Japan, Thailand, >Singapore, etc...You going to ridicule 2/3 of the world's population for being >possessed by spirits on occasion? And just where are you getting these figures? >That's alot of people to ridicule. Are they all saying "I'm borderline schizophrenic"? >Why aren't you in the Voodoo and Santeria newsgroups telling them that they are >all schizophrenic, psychotic, and paranoid? Because I don't believe they are. Because both the Lukumi and the Voudon I've dealt with have been very up-front about their religious beliefs and about their dealings with others. Because both respect all life as part of their religions -- whether heterosexual, homosexual or bisexual, the importance is in the acceptance of the Oguns and the Orishas. Because they aren't out just to "push buttons". Because they work themselves into an ecstatic state to communicate for specific reasons. Because they're not out to vilify entire categories of people for some real or imagined slight. That's why. >> I'm looking at both statements, here. >> And you know what? >> I'm laughing. >I wish I could share your sentiments, but I cannot. I would offer my hand in >friendship and comraderie for the survival of some awful shit in life, but you, >apparently, don't want it...since I'm so P.C. arrogant, and inexperienced and >all... You're reading into my words again. Care to simply read what I've written? >Just forget I exist...It should be easy. You know nothing about me. And Miss Lasher, you know nothing about me. Please, don't forget that. ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 18:16:57 GMT On Wed, 09 Sep 1998 05:59:37 GMT, jmnorthw@gte.uce_is_icky.net (J. Northwood) wrote: >>> So he's "disabled". Well guess what, princess? I'm on a mixture of >>> medications for both physiological and psychophysiological issues. If >>> I didn't take them, I, too, would be more than eligible for >>> disability. Right now, if I chose, I could apply and most likely be >>> accepted due to a degenerative knee condition -- I'll probably be >>> looking at a replacement or a wheelchair within five years. Ooops, I almost missed this statement. I appreciate this person's honesty for this remark about the condition of his health. I would never pounce on him for that, and use that as an Achilles heel to tear him down. In fact, I support him for his courage to bring this up, in a public venue, and will defend him on this matter. What I and Niki have been pointing out is that some of my attackers do not care to draw a line anywhere, when it comes to ethical behavior. It's all grist for their mill, and they'll use whatever is handy, as a weapon to villify me. So, once I mention I have what is classified as a mental disability, I am called some of the worst stereotypes that Amerikans have for the poor and the disabled. That is horrible, IMO, especially when coming from my gay brothers and sisters. >The difference is that I'm not telling all homosexuals they're wrong >for being homosexuals. Well, I'm certainly not doing that. I am, however, telling *some homosexuals that they are wrong for having certain bigoted attitudes. This "some" that I address is less than a dozen...hardly what could be termed "all". >I'm not the one saying they should be ashamed of who or what they are. Nor am I. But again, this *some whom I address, I say, should be ashamed for denigrating other minorities...which they have clearly done, including yourself. >I'm not the one questioning the competence and abilities and skills and >souls of each and every person with whom I disagree. Nor am I. However, when a gay person makes bigoted remarks about others, I will most certainly challenge him in the public arena. >Mr. Krahlin can live his life as he wishes, I do not need your permission, dearest. >but when he gets in my face, he's getting his attitude thrown back at him. No, it is not my own attitude I get thrown back. What does get thrown at me is your own evil attitudes, which I have neither generated nor deserved. I am a modern-day shaman, a healer. And it is my spirit that draws out the nasty toxins from your festering soul. My spirit is like a salve, and for those in such perverted pain, I cannot do all my doctoring without the patient squirming in discomfort for a while. In a little while from now, you will be completely healed...and no longer my enemy, but a friend. Meanwhile, I understand your personal agony, and am not offended that you direct it at me. Sometimes, when wounded on the battlefield, emergency care must be performed without benefit of anesthetic. >>> He wants to be a separatist? Fine. Let him leave. We've offered him >>> the money > >>Did you actually send it? > >Considering he has yet to send an address, no. I will most likely purchase a mail box soon. But your offer for money was to go to Holland. You did not offer to provide any way for me to afford to stay there, while processing my papers to become a citizen. Without such additional provisions, they will ship me right back to Amerika. >If he's willing to sign a contract that the monies sent will be used >to purchase a one-way ticket out of America, then yes, I will somehow >scrape up $50 to contribute to the cause. $50 will get me from here to Lake Tahoe. I don't think they speak Dutch in Lake Tahoe. >I'm not the one saying "I'm leaving Amerika . . . I've got my passport >all ready . . ." He is. I'm sick of continuing to live, immersed in homophobic attitudes wherever I go. Even "gay mecca" is a gross failure and betrayal in this matter. In Holland, I can better serve the cause of gay rights; as I wouldn't have such constant distraction of homophobic threats and attacks. >He stated that he has a passport. He's stated that, had he the money, >he'd leave "Amerika". Those aren't opinions, lass, they're statements >of (supposed) fact. > >To prove them, he merely has to take the money, buy a ticket and >leave. Untrue. Without other kinds of support, soon as I run out of they'd ship me outta there. Holland is not *quite as liberal as it once was, for a while. I would need some solid connections in The Netherlands, as well as prove myself to be a valuable citizen to my adopted country. My record of disability me be regarded as a strike against this. However, if they gave me a *chance, I'd show them my stuff, and they'd never dream of letting me go. I'd love to be adopted by Holland. >>I'm good at getting what I want...What I wanted was an idea of why you are so >>hostile towards Ezekiel in particular, > >Because he is reaping what he has sown. Incorrect. I am in the process of removing the pus from your spirit, and from numerous others. Good thing I carried a bucket with me! >Within a religious context, yes, there are a number; My context is spiritual, not religious. >however, there are a far more limited number of those who claim >and admit to psychological dysfunction and use it as an excuse >for their "channeling". I claim that many people who are classified as mentally dysfunctional, are actually psychically gifted. Most of the phonies are those in perfect mental health, who are out to make a quick buck. You should read some of Carl Jung's teachings, to understand more on this issue. I do not seek out psychic groups, or attempt to set myself as some sort of channeler, where my shingle hangs from my window, and I charge exorbitant fees. Being a shaman is a normal state of affairs for me, and my role is to serve "everyman", not the affluent elite. My compassion is more directed to the poor and downtrodden, than to the materially comfortable. >Are they all saying "I'm borderline schizophrenic"? If they were living in Amerika, many would be so classified. >Because I don't believe they are. Because both the Lukumi and the >Voudon I've dealt with have been very up-front about their religious >beliefs and about their dealings with others. And of course, because I don't fit into any religious pigeonhole, I am not valid! Amerikans are so locked into labels and boxes, they can't conceive of anything else that does not fit into one. >Because they aren't out just to "push buttons". Because they work >themselves into an ecstatic state to communicate for specific reasons. That's not my style. My ecstatic states just come upon me, seemingly without my trying to bring them out. >Because they're not out to vilify entire categories of people for some >real or imagined slight. You just do not comprehend me, or your nasty nature blinds you to a bigger reality. But of course, I expect to be challenged as to my claims...however, I can easily discern between a challenge and a slam. --- Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm --- My website kicks (but never licks) butt! http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: john1@world.std.com (Fred Cherry) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 21:56:58 GMT ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) writes: >On Wed, 09 Sep 1998 05:59:37 GMT, jmnorthw@gte.uce_is_icky.net (J. >Northwood) wrote: >>>> So he's "disabled". Well guess what, princess? I'm on a mixture of >>>> medications for both physiological and psychophysiological issues. If >>>> I didn't take them, I, too, would be more than eligible for >>>> disability. Right now, if I chose, I could apply and most likely be >>>> accepted due to a degenerative knee condition -- I'll probably be >>>> looking at a replacement or a wheelchair within five years. >Ooops, I almost missed this statement. I appreciate this person's >honesty for this remark about the condition of his health. I would >never pounce on him for that, and use that as an Achilles heel to tear >him down. In fact, I support him for his courage to bring this up, in >a public venue, and will defend him on this matter. I described the condition of my health, and one of your fellow faggots, namely John deSalvio, said that I: "wallow in self pity." >--- >My website kicks (but never licks) butt! >http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ Your head is up your butt! john1@world.std.com (Fred Cherry) ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: MozzWolF Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 05:20:02 +0000 Fred Cherry wrote: > > ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) writes: > > >On Wed, 09 Sep 1998 05:59:37 GMT, jmnorthw@gte.uce_is_icky.net (J. > >Northwood) wrote: > > >>>> So he's "disabled". Well guess what, princess? I'm on a mixture of > >>>> medications for both physiological and psychophysiological issues. If > >>>> I didn't take them, I, too, would be more than eligible for > >>>> disability. Right now, if I chose, I could apply and most likely be > >>>> accepted due to a degenerative knee condition -- I'll probably be > >>>> looking at a replacement or a wheelchair within five years. > > >Ooops, I almost missed this statement. I appreciate this person's > >honesty for this remark about the condition of his health. I would > >never pounce on him for that, and use that as an Achilles heel to tear > >him down. In fact, I support him for his courage to bring this up, in > >a public venue, and will defend him on this matter. > > I described the condition of my health, and one of your fellow faggots, > namely John deSalvio, said that I: "wallow in self pity." Ezekiel swallows in self pity. ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 21:07:00 GMT On Wed, 09 Sep 1998 05:59:37 GMT, jmnorthw@gte.uce_is_icky.net (J. Northwood) wrote: >Considering he has yet to send an address, no. Okay, I just blew a $115 wad for a 6-month use of a mailbox service. This means I must live on oatmeal and apples the last week of September. No big deal, it's a healthy semi-fast. My address is: Ezekiel J. Krahlin 584 Castro St., Suite 436 San Francisco, CA 94114 But I did not get this mailbox, to receive any monies. This is in case anyone who cares to help me with the Pee Nuts issue, can mail me pertinent information (that can't be sent via e-mail) in my defense. This would include photocopies of other Peanuts and Sunday Comic parodies from Mad Magazine and elsewhere. And anything else anyone feels will provide evidence in my favor. This mailbox will also be used as a community service, where I will receive artwork and writings by gay men and women who are too poor to afford an Internet connection...for which I will freely give them a voice on the web with a free web page. Hopefully, some people in these newsgroups will search for homeless and poor gays, and offer to collect their writings and other art (as well as pay for mailing expense)...then send it to me, whereby I'll put their contributions on the web. Perhaps some of you with cameras can send me a photograph of a contributor, and perhaps photos of art work that cannot be scanned or copied any other way. (I have a color scanner.) Those homeless/poor who do not have the creative flair to write...are welcome to tell their story and opinions, which I will then post to their free web page. This probably means that those gays more materially affluent, must take the time to listen to their story, and record it...then send the results to me. Please, spare me the transcription work by first translating everything into a mailable document, preferrably e-mail, though snail-mail is also acceptable. (Snail-mailed printouts mean more work for me though, via optical scanning; or, if the papers are too smudged, or handwritten, I would actually have to re-type everything from scratch...ouch! Since I have RSI, I really cannot type to much. If I could afford good dictation voice recognition software, I'd be using it.) As for money to send me to Holland: you guys work out a collection pool on your own...and should the time ever come when I'm finally ready to make the move, you can then send me the plane ticket. Do not send me any money for this...for if you do, I would likely lose the discipline of maintaining the reserve, and divvy it up between any number of homeless/poor gay folks. However, my climb to celebrity status will likely be so rapid, that I will be offered the keys to Amsterdam, for my pro-gay activities, anyway. But thanks for your offer just the same...however, since it is wrapped in malicious intent, I must turn it down. --- Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm --- My website kicks (but never licks) butt! http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: James B. Tyler Date: 9 Sep 1998 21:53:04 GMT In ba.motss Ezekiel Krahlin wrote: [all snipped, except:] > Since I have RSI, I really cannot type to (sic) much. Glub help us, then, if you *didn't* have RSI. Jim "sure coulda fooled me!" Tyler ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 00:27:47 GMT On 9 Sep 1998 21:53:04 GMT, James B. Tyler wrote: >> Since I have RSI, I really cannot type to (sic) much. > >Glub help us, then, if you *didn't* have RSI. And remember, Glub spelled backwards is... --- Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm --- My website kicks (but never licks) butt! http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: "robbie_c" Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 10:10:41 -0400 Ezekiel Krahlin wrote in message <35f71c98.13752856@nntp.sj.bigger.net>... > >And remember, Glub spelled backwards is... > blug What's your point? -- ---- Robbie---------------------(bruce_c) bdcpharm@epic.prodigy.net http://members.wbs.net/homepages/n/y/c/nycrobbie.html [Legitimate e-mailers: remove 'epic' from my address] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From childhood's hour I have not been As others were---I have not seen As others saw---I could not bring My passions from a common spring. ------Edgar Allan Poe "Alone" . ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 15:44:14 GMT On Sat, 12 Sep 1998 10:10:41 -0400, "robbie_c" wrote: >Ezekiel Krahlin wrote in message <35f71c98.13752856@nntp.sj.bigger.net>... >> >>And remember, Glub spelled backwards is... >> > >blug > >What's your point? bulg --- Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm --- My website kicks (but never licks) butt! http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: wstewart@hi.net (Ward Stewart) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 17:57:09 GMT On 9 Sep 1998 21:53:04 GMT, James B. Tyler wrote: >In ba.motss Ezekiel Krahlin wrote: > >[all snipped, except:] > >> Since I have RSI, I really cannot type to (sic) much. > >Glub help us, then, if you *didn't* have RSI. > >Jim "sure coulda fooled me!" Tyler What the hell is RSI?? ward *********************************************************** "I am constantly mystified by this notion of "disagreeing" with homosexuality -- not unlike disagreeing with Tuesday -- like it or not, every seven days, there it is -- TUESDAY. uncle ward *********************************************************** ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: Bill Lindemann Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:23:28 +0000 Ward Stewart wrote: > What the hell is RSI?? > > ward Repetitive Stress Injury (eg. carpal tunnel syndrome). Means his wrists get inflamed when he types ... not unlike his verbiage, as well. -Bill ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: desalvo@monitor.net (John De Salvio) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:01:45 -0700 In article <360293ce.33120731@news.hi.net>, wstewart@hi.net (Ward Stewart) wrote: > On 9 Sep 1998 21:53:04 GMT, James B. Tyler wrote: > > >In ba.motss Ezekiel Krahlin wrote: > > > >[all snipped, except:] > > > >> Since I have RSI, I really cannot type to (sic) much. > > > >Glub help us, then, if you *didn't* have RSI. > > > >Jim "sure coulda fooled me!" Tyler > > > What the hell is RSI?? > > ward Rather Shallow Intellect. -- John NOTE: "From" address is deliberately wrong. My correct e-mail address is: desalvio["AT" SYMBOL]monitor.net ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: no.ads@my.mailbox (Rev. Billy) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 20:55:48 GMT desalvo@monitor.net (John De Salvio) wrote: >In article <360293ce.33120731@news.hi.net>, wstewart@hi.net (Ward Stewart) >wrote: >> On 9 Sep 1998 21:53:04 GMT, James B. Tyler wrote: >> >In ba.motss Ezekiel Krahlin wrote: >> >[all snipped, except:] >> >> Since I have RSI, I really cannot type to (sic) much. >> >Glub help us, then, if you *didn't* have RSI. >> >Jim "sure coulda fooled me!" Tyler >> What the hell is RSI?? >> ward >Rather Shallow Intellect. DAMN, I thought he'd been eating British Beef !!!! (although it might explain alot) ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 07:20:22 GMT On Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:01:45 -0700, desalvo@monitor.net (John De Salvio) wrote: >> What the hell is RSI?? Really Sexy Individual. I'm half Italian and half Scot...which means I'm sexy, but stingy with it. So true! --- Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm --- My website kicks (but never licks) butt! http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: "robbie_c" Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 10:23:54 -0400 Ezekiel Krahlin wrote in message <35f8cbed.11012188@nntp.sj.bigger.net>... >On Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:01:45 -0700, desalvo@monitor.net (John De >Salvio) wrote: > Actually, Ward Srewart wrote........... >>> What the hell is RSI?? > Your cutting and pasting is getting sloppy, Zeke. Probably a result of too much typing. For someone who shouldn't type too much, you sure post a LOT of articles. More than anyone else on A.P.H., in fact. Keep the NSAIDS handy for your RSI symptoms. >I'm half Italian and half Scot...which means I'm sexy, but stingy with >it. So true! > Hmmm. My ancestors were Scottish on my father's side and Italian on my mother's side. I was born in Portland, Oregon, U.S.A., which makes me an American. One hundred per cent. -- ---- Robbie---------------------(bruce_c) bdcpharm@epic.prodigy.net http://members.wbs.net/homepages/n/y/c/nycrobbie.html [Legitimate e-mailers: remove 'epic' from my address] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From childhood's hour I have not been As others were---I have not seen As others saw---I could not bring My passions from a common spring. ------Edgar Allan Poe "Alone" ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 15:44:19 GMT On Sat, 12 Sep 1998 10:23:54 -0400, "robbie_c" wrote: >Hmmm. My ancestors were Scottish on my father's side and Italian on my >mother's side. I was born in Portland, Oregon, U.S.A., which makes me an >American. One hundred per cent. Three cheers for the red, black and blue! --- Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm --- My website kicks (but never licks) butt! http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: jmnorthw@gte.uce_is_icky.net (J. Northwood) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 16:12:27 GMT On Sat, 12 Sep 1998 10:23:54 -0400, "robbie_c" wrote: < snip > >I was born in Portland, Oregon, U.S.A. < snip > * blink * Well come back and visit every now and then, damnit! ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 22:06:14 GMT On Sat, 12 Sep 1998 16:12:27 GMT, jmnorthw@gte.uce_is_icky.net (J. Northwood) wrote: >>I was born in Portland, Oregon, U.S.A. > >< snip > > >* blink * > >Well come back and visit every now and then, damnit! Oh, that's fun. After not being more than 100 miles from San Francisco, since I visited my distraught lover in Wash. D.C. in 1985...I will be hanging out in Portland in mid-October. --- Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm --- My website kicks (but never licks) butt! http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: jayteefl@aol.com (JayTeeFL) Date: 13 Sep 1998 00:26:55 GMT In article <6te05k$8gfe$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>, "robbie_c" writes: >I was born in Portland, Oregon, U.S.A. I've never been to Portland...but someone I know that has recently referred to it as "Seattle with some sunshine." Is that accurate? prince jace <---- needs to get out more http://members.aol.com/jayteefl/ "we're one, but we're not the same...we get to carry each other..." ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: jmnorthw@gte.uce_is_icky.net (J. Northwood) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 01:11:32 GMT On 13 Sep 1998 00:26:55 GMT, jayteefl@aol.com (JayTeeFL) wrote: >In article <6te05k$8gfe$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>, "robbie_c" > writes: >>I was born in Portland, Oregon, U.S.A. >I've never been to Portland...but someone I know that has recently referred to >it as "Seattle with some sunshine." >Is that accurate? Portland is gorgeous. Right now, outside my window, it's about 74 degrees. There's a light breeze that brings a hint of fall wafting along with it. As the light begins to dim, and shadows race over the streets and driveways in the subdivision, I look out over acres of hills and greenways, leaves beginning to darken in reds, golds and glorious, vivid purples. If you drive twenty minutes from my house, you're in farmland. Twenty minutes the other direction, and you're in downtown Portland. During the day the bustle of humanity is incredible, and at night the city sparkles like a jewel set in Gaia's diadem. Culture, arts, cuisine and personality, the city glows, beckons and scintillates -- a microcosm of humanity with an intrinsic life of its own. Although it's dangerous, and "forbidden", there are ways to see the underground city -- the original Portland, now locked away beneath the streets and byways of the bustling metropolis above. Does Portland have sunshine? Yes. Whether through a misty haze of spring mornings, a hard-edged razor of light during the summer, the gentle swell of chiaroscuro-esque dappling of fall or the coruscation of sparkling beams that shatter on the cornice of winter, Portland has sunlight. And yes, folks, it's beautiful here. ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: wfoneybj@nn.arg (Jeff Barlow) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 22:19:43 -0800 In article <1998091300265501.UAA08502@ladder01.news.aol.com>, jayteefl@aol.com (JayTeeFL) wrote: > In article <6te05k$8gfe$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>, "robbie_c" > writes: > > >I was born in Portland, Oregon, U.S.A. > > I've never been to Portland...but someone I know that has recently referred to > it as "Seattle with some sunshine." Looking eastward out my window at the reflections of the sun setting on the white tipped peaks of the Cascade mountains, and then looking westward at that same sun setting amidst the jagged peaks of the Olympic mountains, on what must be the 30th clear blue and moderately mid 70s day in a row, I wonder what the heck jace is talking about. > Is that accurate? Portland is like Seattle. Just cleaner. > prince jace <---- needs to get out more -- jsbarlow at aa.net ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: jmnorthw@gte.uce_is_icky.net (J. Northwood) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 05:29:47 GMT On Sun, 13 Sep 1998 22:19:43 -0800, wfoneybj@nn.arg (Jeff Barlow) wrote: >In article <1998091300265501.UAA08502@ladder01.news.aol.com>, >jayteefl@aol.com (JayTeeFL) wrote: >> I've never been to Portland...but someone I know that has recently referred to >> it as "Seattle with some sunshine." >Looking eastward out my window at the reflections of the sun setting on the >white tipped peaks of the Cascade mountains, and then looking westward at >that same sun setting amidst the jagged peaks of the Olympic mountains, on >what must be the 30th clear blue and moderately mid 70s day in a row, I >wonder what the heck jace is talking about. I love the view of Mt. Hood from the end of our street. It's glorious when it's slightly hazy out, but it's almost painfully beautiful when the air is clear. >> Is that accurate? >Portland is like Seattle. Just cleaner. Well said. ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: cubsfan@cjnetworks.com (Mike Silverman) Date: 14 Sep 1998 09:29:01 -0500 In article , wfoneybj@nn.arg (Jeff Barlow) wrote: > In article <1998091300265501.UAA08502@ladder01.news.aol.com>, > jayteefl@aol.com (JayTeeFL) wrote: > > > In article <6te05k$8gfe$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>, "robbie_c" > > writes: > > > > >I was born in Portland, Oregon, U.S.A. > > > > I've never been to Portland...but someone I know that has recently referred to > > it as "Seattle with some sunshine." > > Looking eastward out my window at the reflections of the sun setting on the > white tipped peaks of the Cascade mountains, and then looking westward at > that same sun setting amidst the jagged peaks of the Olympic mountains, on > what must be the 30th clear blue and moderately mid 70s day in a row, I > wonder what the heck jace is talking about. Looking out across the hazy plains, with the temperature a comfortable 95 with a 95% relative humidity, as the sun lazily settles across the brown fields of corn, I wonder whay the heck I am living in such a butt-ugly state like Kansas. -- Mike Silverman -- cubsfan at turnleft.com -- Lawrence, KS http://www.turnleft.com/personal ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: jayteefl@aol.com (JayTeeFL) Date: 15 Sep 1998 12:42:47 GMT In article , cubsfan@cjnetworks.com (Mike Silverman) writes: >> Looking eastward out my window at the reflections of the sun setting on the >> white tipped peaks of the Cascade mountains, and then looking westward at >> that same sun setting amidst the jagged peaks of the Olympic mountains, on >> what must be the 30th clear blue and moderately mid 70s day in a row, I >> wonder what the heck jace is talking about. > >Looking out across the hazy plains, with the temperature a comfortable 95 >with a 95% relative humidity, as the sun lazily settles across the brown >fields of corn, I wonder whay the heck I am living in such a butt- ugly >state like Kansas. > well, mike, if it will make you feel any better, i am currently 1000 plus miles away from beloved florida coast just so i can make a little money...and after almost 6 months in our nation's capitol, i wonder if i have landed on the bizarro world. prince jace <---- will be just fine when he finally gets to go home and STAY THERE http://members.aol.com/jayteefl/ "we're one, but we're not the same...we get to carry each other..." ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: "James Doemer" Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:03:50 -0400 JayTeeFL wrote in message <1998091512424700.IAA08415@ladder03.news.aol.com>... : Snipped for bandwidth.. :well, mike, if it will make you feel any better, i am currently 1000 plus miles :away from beloved florida coast just so i can make a little money...and after :almost 6 months in our nation's capitol, i wonder if i have landed on the :bizarro world. : : Washington D.C?? You most certainly have!! ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: cubsfan@cjnetworks.com (Mike Silverman) Date: 15 Sep 1998 10:19:04 -0500 In article <1998091512424700.IAA08415@ladder03.news.aol.com>, jayteefl@aol.com (JayTeeFL) wrote: > In article , cubsfan@cjnetworks.com > (Mike Silverman) writes: > > >> Looking eastward out my window at the reflections of the sun setting on the > >> white tipped peaks of the Cascade mountains, and then looking westward at > >> that same sun setting amidst the jagged peaks of the Olympic mountains, on > >> what must be the 30th clear blue and moderately mid 70s day in a row, I > >> wonder what the heck jace is talking about. > > > >Looking out across the hazy plains, with the temperature a comfortable 95 > >with a 95% relative humidity, as the sun lazily settles across the brown > >fields of corn, I wonder whay the heck I am living in such a butt- ugly > >state like Kansas. > > > > well, mike, if it will make you feel any better, i am currently 1000 plus miles > away from beloved florida coast just so i can make a little money...and after > almost 6 months in our nation's capitol, i wonder if i have landed on the > bizarro world. You are, as they say "inside the beltway" -- Mike Silverman -- cubsfan at turnleft.com -- Lawrence, KS http://www.turnleft.com/personal ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: cubsfan@cjnetworks.com Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 21:09:45 GMT In article <360293ce.33120731@news.hi.net>, wstewart@hi.net (Ward Stewart) wrote: > What the hell is RSI?? Repetitive Stress Injury. This is an injury brought on by repeatedly going through the same motion. It is common amongst assembly-line facroty workers and typists. The most common and best-known form of RSI is Carpal Tunnel Syndrome. -- Mike Silverman -- cubsfan@cjnetworks.com http://www.turnleft.com/personal/ -- -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==--- -- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 07:20:13 GMT On Thu, 10 Sep 1998 17:57:09 GMT, wstewart@hi.net (Ward Stewart) wrote: >What the hell is RSI?? Repetitive Stress Injury. Carpel Tunnel Syndrome is one kind of RSI. I have had to drastically slow down my keyboard typing five years ago, to avoid developing more than the beginning signs of CTS. Likewise, I had to stop using a mouse several months ago, as I finally developed a pinched nerve from years of gliding my elbow on a hard surface. It took one month of non-mouse use, for the pain to go away...which pain was bad enough to give me a week of sleepless nights. I now use a touch tablet, which is very nice, and which I like better than a mouse. I stopped typing people's documents as a vocation, because of low-grade CTS. I only type for myself: creative writing, and Usenet articles...nowhere near as fast as I used to. I am looking towards getting some good voice recognition software. --- Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm --- My website kicks (but never licks) butt! http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: Michael Thomas Date: 12 Sep 1998 15:02:45 -0700 wstewart@hi.net (Ward Stewart) writes: > On 9 Sep 1998 21:53:04 GMT, James B. Tyler wrote: > >In ba.motss Ezekiel Krahlin wrote: > >> Since I have RSI, I really cannot type to (sic) much. > > What the hell is RSI?? Regrettable Shit Implosion. HTH. -- Michael Thomas (mike@mtcc.com http://www.mtcc.com/~mike/) "I dunno, that's an awful lot of money." Beavis ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 20:57:38 GMT On 12 Sep 1998 15:02:45 -0700, Michael Thomas wrote: >> What the hell is RSI?? In your case: Rude, sick and ignorant. --- Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm --- My website kicks (but never licks) butt! http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: john1@world.std.com (Fred Cherry) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 22:42:19 GMT James B. Tyler writes: >In ba.motss Ezekiel Krahlin wrote: >[all snipped, except:] >> Since I have RSI, I really cannot type to (sic) much. >Glub help us, then, if you *didn't* have RSI. >Jim "sure coulda fooled me!" Tyler I don't believe that Krahlin types his own stuff. I believe he dictates his stuff to at least three people. Reminds me of Milton Berle in his old age. One time Milton Berle was playing a game that required him to throw dice. He threw the dice and they fell off the table and got lost. Milton Berle was very peeved over this. He dictated a long narrative poem to his three daughters lamenting the loss of his dice. The title of the poem was: "Pair o' Dice Lost." john1@world.std.com (Fred Cherry) Grand Duke of Yugoslobia Duke of Vulgaria Grand Muff-Diver of Jerusalem Elector of Homophobia Baron of Gray Matter & Thief of Bad Gags ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: john1@world.std.com (Fred Cherry) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 22:18:27 GMT ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Crawlin' Krahlin) writes: >On Wed, 09 Sep 1998 05:59:37 GMT, jmnorthw@gte.uce_is_icky.net (J. >Northwood) wrote: >>Considering he has yet to send an address, no. >Okay, I just blew a $115 wad for a 6-month use of a mailbox service. >This means I must live on oatmeal and apples the last week of >September. No big deal, it's a healthy semi-fast. My address is: > Ezekiel J. Krahlin > 584 Castro St., Suite 436 > San Francisco, CA 94114 >But I did not get this mailbox, to receive any monies. This is in case >anyone who cares to help me with the Pee Nuts issue, can mail me >pertinent information (that can't be sent via e-mail) in my defense. >This would include photocopies of other Peanuts and Sunday Comic >parodies from Mad Magazine and elsewhere. And anything else anyone >feels will provide evidence in my favor. >This mailbox will also be used as a community service, where I will >receive artwork and writings by gay men and women who are too poor to >afford an Internet connection...for which I will freely give them a >voice on the web with a free web page. Hopefully, some people in these >newsgroups will search for homeless and poor gays, and offer to >collect their writings and other art (as well as pay for mailing >expense)...then send it to me, whereby I'll put their contributions on >the web. Perhaps some of you with cameras can send me a photograph of >a contributor, and perhaps photos of art work that cannot be scanned >or copied any other way. (I have a color scanner.) >Those homeless/poor who do not have the creative flair to write...are >welcome to tell their story and opinions, which I will then post to >their free web page. This probably means that those gays more >materially affluent, must take the time to listen to their story, and >record it...then send the results to me. Please, spare me the >transcription work by first translating everything into a mailable >document, preferrably e-mail, though snail-mail is also acceptable. >(Snail-mailed printouts mean more work for me though, via optical >scanning; or, if the papers are too smudged, or handwritten, I would >actually have to re-type everything from scratch...ouch! Since I have >RSI, I really cannot type to much. If I could afford good dictation >voice recognition software, I'd be using it.) >As for money to send me to Holland: you guys work out a collection >pool on your own...and should the time ever come when I'm finally >ready to make the move, you can then send me the plane ticket. Do not >send me any money for this...for if you do, I would likely lose the >discipline of maintaining the reserve, and divvy it up between any >number of homeless/poor gay folks. >However, my climb to celebrity status will likely be so rapid, that I >will be offered the keys to Amsterdam, for my pro-gay activities, >anyway. But thanks for your offer just the same...however, since it is >wrapped in malicious intent, I must turn it down. The only keys that you will see are the keys that lock you into the looney-bin. >--- >My website kicks (but never licks) butt! >http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ Your head is up your butt! john1@world.std.com (Fred Cherry) ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 21:07:11 GMT On Wed, 09 Sep 1998 05:59:37 GMT, jmnorthw@gte.uce_is_icky.net (J. Northwood) wrote: >Considering he has yet to send an address, no. Okay, I just blew a $115 wad for a 6-month use of a mailbox service. This means I must live on oatmeal and apples the last week of September. No big deal, it's a healthy semi-fast. My address is: Ezekiel J. Krahlin 584 Castro St., Suite 436 San Francisco, CA 94114 But I did not get this mailbox, to receive any monies. This is in case anyone who cares to help me with the Pee Nuts issue, can mail me pertinent information (that can't be sent via e-mail) in my defense. This would include photocopies of other Peanuts and Sunday Comic parodies from Mad Magazine and elsewhere. And anything else anyone feels will provide evidence in my favor. This mailbox will also be used as a community service, where I will receive artwork and writings by gay men and women who are too poor to afford an Internet connection...for which I will freely give them a voice on the web with a free web page. Hopefully, some people in these newsgroups will search for homeless and poor gays, and offer to collect their writings and other art (as well as pay for mailing expense)...then send it to me, whereby I'll put their contributions on the web. Perhaps some of you with cameras can send me a photograph of a contributor, and perhaps photos of art work that cannot be scanned or copied any other way. (I have a color scanner.) Those homeless/poor who do not have the creative flair to write...are welcome to tell their story and opinions, which I will then post to their free web page. This probably means that those gays more materially affluent, must take the time to listen to their story, and record it...then send the results to me. Please, spare me the transcription work by first translating everything into a mailable document, preferrably e-mail, though snail-mail is also acceptable. (Snail-mailed printouts mean more work for me though, via optical scanning; or, if the papers are too smudged, or handwritten, I would actually have to re-type everything from scratch...ouch! Since I have RSI, I really cannot type to much. If I could afford good dictation voice recognition software, I'd be using it.) As for money to send me to Holland: you guys work out a collection pool on your own...and should the time ever come when I'm finally ready to make the move, you can then send me the plane ticket. Do not send me any money for this...for if you do, I would likely lose the discipline of maintaining the reserve, and divvy it up between any number of homeless/poor gay folks. However, my climb to celebrity status will likely be so rapid, that I will be offered the keys to Amsterdam, for my pro-gay activities, anyway. But thanks for your offer just the same...however, since it is wrapped in malicious intent, I must turn it down. --- Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm --- My website kicks (but never licks) butt! http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: Bill Lindemann Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 00:45:02 +0000 Ezekiel Krahlin wrote: > Okay, I just blew a $115 wad for a 6-month use of a mailbox service. > This means I must live on oatmeal and apples the last week of > September. I hope you get more service for your $115 than just a box. Herein Mountain View I paid $20 for 6-months rent on a box at the Post Office. -Bill ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 07:20:24 GMT On Thu, 10 Sep 1998 00:45:02 +0000, Bill Lindemann wrote: >> Okay, I just blew a $115 wad for a 6-month use of a mailbox service. >> This means I must live on oatmeal and apples the last week of >> September. > >I hope you get more service for your $115 than just a box. Herein Mountain View >I paid $20 for 6-months rent on a box at the >Post Office. It's roughly $15-$20/month here in the S.F. area. I paid $100 for 6 months use of a small box, plus $15 key deposit. I couldn't just go to a post office and get a mailbox, which would have been cheaper...but there's a waiting list of about four months. --- Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm --- My website kicks (but never licks) butt! http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: john1@world.std.com (Fred Cherry) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 21:43:09 GMT jmnorthw@gte.net (J. Northwood) writes: >On Wed, 09 Sep 1998 03:00:03 +0200, Nicole Lasher > wrote: >>J. Northwood wrote: >>> On Tue, 08 Sep 1998 09:16:21 +0200, Nicole Lasher >>> wrote: >>> >Yeah, and how many loves of your life have died recently? >>> < sob > Oh, oh dear. >>> < snif > So, so terribly sad, isn't it? >>> Grow up, wench. >>> How many "loves" have you had die at all? First "fiancee", or >>> whatever you'd like to call it? First "date"? No? >>Well, I.... >>> Gee, I win. >>Nevermind...apparently, you didn't want to know. >Oh please. You've never let someone making a statement stop you from >prattling on before. Impress us all with how much worse your life has >been. Children, I think, is the issue you brought up with Frank, >isn't it? >>> >I ask you, how would you feel, or react, if you had to watch people you >>> >loved die slowly? >>> Been there, done that, cared for him for five years. >>> My father in law. He died Christmas Eve, 1995. >>> by the last eight months he couldn't walk more than three steps, and >>> even that was with support. By the last two months, he couldn't keep >>> solid food down. This man who had never cried in his life was sobbing >>> with the effort of breathing, blubbering over the pain and crying >>> about how he just wanted to die and get it over with. He was wearing >>> diapers because he had no bladder or bowel control. He was on >>> suppositories to quell the nausea, and a bland liquid diet they >>> _hoped_ would stay down -- sometimes, and only sometimes, it did. And >>> I was there for him, through the last day. I helped get his body >>> ready for transport. I helped get the family through their crises, >>> not giving myself time to grieve, because they needed me as much as I >>> needed him. >>Mm-hmm...and you are the *only* one who has been through this...Yup... >>::beginning to lose interest in bothering:: >Let's see . . . you said "I ask you, how would you feel, or react, if >you had to watch people you loved die slowly", and I answered as you >quoted above. Now you're "beginning to lose interest in bothering". >Why? Don't like it when you're caught out? >Get out of mediation, then, lass, 'cause you won't last ten days as a >professional. >>> Don't talk to me about loss, lass. Between my friends who've died of >>> AIDS, some who've suicided over "life issues", one who's still in a >>> mental institution after her father raped and tried to strangle her, >>> my family situation . . . yeah, I think I can play the "sympathy" game >>> rather effectively. >>Yup, and *I*, of course, to your rather limited knowledge of me, have *never* had >>to experience *anything* close to being sexually assaulted or strangled...Oh >>yeah...I'm just a perfect little lady with a perfect little life, and a perfect >>little set of Dick and Jane life experiences... >>::dodging lightning:: >Excuse me, missy, but where did I say that? >Nowhere? >You're right. >Stop reading into my words issues over which you wish to fight. If >you're going to be an apologist for someone who's admitted to lying >for the express purpose of "pushing buttons" and "proving a point", at >least pretend to have the decency to read what others write and >respond to the statements as written. >>> Guess what? I don't give a flying fuck at a rolling doughnut as to >>> whether or not little Krahlin had an owie on his psyche from his lover >>> dying. He's acting like a fucking jackass -- a sick, demented, >>> fucking jackass. >>And you're not acting like one now? >Gee -- I don't know. >You're the mediator, look at it from _my_ side. Tell me what you see. >>> And you're there holding his hand and telling him it's all okay, and >>> he's oh so sure to be right. >>Have you been tracking our email? >No, just your public justification for his position on this newsgroup. >>Oh, then you know I ALWAYS agree with >>Ezekiel...He's my idol. I never have a word to say against anything he >>says...It's all okay with me...Yup. You know it all, J. Tell us more, please. >>I'm dying to hear more about my life. >Sarcasm ill becomes you, little one. >Learn to use it effectively before attempting it on one who knows >better. >>> Bullshit. >>> So he's "disabled". Well guess what, princess? I'm on a mixture of >>> medications for both physiological and psychophysiological issues. If >>> I didn't take them, I, too, would be more than eligible for >>> disability. Right now, if I chose, I could apply and most likely be >>> accepted due to a degenerative knee condition -- I'll probably be >>> looking at a replacement or a wheelchair within five years. >>> So the fuck what? >>So maybe you should consider joining the fight? >What, and live in an isolation tank away from the world? I think not. >Thank you, I'll continue to live in the real world, deal with issues >as they arise and do my damndest to ensure that everyone's got a fair >shake under the law. >Then again, maybe that's because I can see beyond the end of my >agenda. >>> I'm living my life, and everyone here who's responded to you and your >>> little friend are living theirs. >>As I am living mine...And Ezekiel is living his...HIS way, not your way. >And good for him. >The difference is that I'm not telling all homosexuals they're wrong >for being homosexuals. I'm not the one saying they should be ashamed >of who or what they are. I'm not the one questioning the competence >and abilities and skills and souls of each and every person with whom >I disagree. >Mr. Krahlin can live his life as he wishes, but when he gets in my >face, he's getting his attitude thrown back at him. >>> He wants to be a separatist? Fine. Let him leave. We've offered him >>> the money If you offered him money, then you are an idiot. Offer him a non-refundable ticket. john1@world.std.com (Fred Cherry) ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 18:16:33 GMT On Wed, 09 Sep 1998 03:00:03 +0200, Nicole Lasher wrote: >So do lots of people. They're all over the place, but many concentrations can be >found in India, South America, Central America, Africa, Japan, Thailand, >Singapore, etc...You going to ridicule 2/3 of the world's population for being >possessed by spirits on occasion? That's alot of people to ridicule. >Why aren't you in the Voodoo and Santeria newsgroups telling them that they are >all schizophrenic, psychotic, and paranoid? Me and all my angels applaud you for *that one, Niki! We must not forget the demons, too...as they also are on my side. As a bodhisaatva extraordinaire, I truly have no real enemies. As I said in a message in a previous thread: By the time any hateful attack reaches me, it has turned itself into an angel's kiss. Welcome to: THE ORDER OF THE BLUE ROSE copyright 1998 by Ezekiel J. Krahlin petals twisted around themselves tremble to surrender to the world a glory to be witnessed beneath the brilliant sun my heart is a blue rose the chain of command the chain of heartbreak the rosey chain radiates from my heart chakra lotus blossom 4th seal of the apocalypse spreads over eureka valley s.f. petals tossed into a concrete pond ripple outward and beyond as i fall into the arms of the new marines soldiers of the pink triangle army of lovers invincible stand before the world and the world trembles: thracians! same sex paramours militias skilled in the art of love physical beauty and stamina: all weapons to win the heart of the enemy to our side or perish provocateurs of seduction shall throw down the garters of all governments and the whores of cold cash these are the thracians and the innermost circle: the order of the blue rose instant death to you who scorn any one of my beloved warriors let this be commandment 11 legions of unicorns and winged horses stand ready for battle to serve as warrior steeds the moment i give the signal a blue rose in the window --- Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm --- My website kicks (but never licks) butt! http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: john1@world.std.com (Fred Cherry) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 20:33:56 GMT jmnorthw@gte.net (J. Northwood) writes: >On Tue, 08 Sep 1998 09:16:21 +0200, Nicole Lasher > wrote: >>Yeah, and how many loves of your life have died recently? >< sob > Oh, oh dear. >< snif > So, so terribly sad, isn't it? >Grow up, wench. >How many "loves" have you had die at all? First "fiancee", or >whatever you'd like to call it? First "date"? No? >Gee, I win. >>I ask you, how would you feel, or react, if you had to watch people you >>loved die slowly? >Been there, done that, cared for him for five years. >My father in law. He died Christmas Eve, 1995. >by the last eight months he couldn't walk more than three steps, and >even that was with support. By the last two months, he couldn't keep >solid food down. This man who had never cried in his life was sobbing >with the effort of breathing, blubbering over the pain and crying >about how he just wanted to die and get it over with. He was wearing >diapers because he had no bladder or bowel control. He was on >suppositories to quell the nausea, and a bland liquid diet they >_hoped_ would stay down -- sometimes, and only sometimes, it did. And >I was there for him, through the last day. I helped get his body >ready for transport. I helped get the family through their crises, >not giving myself time to grieve, because they needed me as much as I >needed him. >Don't talk to me about loss, lass. Between my friends who've died of >AIDS, some who've suicided over "life issues", one who's still in a >mental institution after her father raped and tried to strangle her, >my family situation . . . yeah, I think I can play the "sympathy" game >rather effectively. >Guess what? I don't give a flying fuck at a rolling doughnut as to >whether or not little Krahlin had an owie on his psyche from his lover >dying. He's acting like a fucking jackass -- a sick, demented, >fucking jackass. >And you're there holding his hand and telling him it's all okay, and >he's oh so sure to be right. >Bullshit. >So he's "disabled". Well guess what, princess? I'm on a mixture of >medications for both physiological and psychophysiological issues. If >I didn't take them, I, too, would be more than eligible for >disability. Right now, if I chose, I could apply and most likely be >accepted due to a degenerative knee condition -- I'll probably be >looking at a replacement or a wheelchair within five years. >So the fuck what? >I'm living my life, and everyone here who's responded to you and your >little friend are living theirs. >He wants to be a separatist? Fine. Let him leave. We've offered him >the money and he claims to have a passport. Let's see him keep his >word for once -- let's see him _prove_ what he's saying. >He won't, though, and we all know it. You know it, too. >>What if their deaths had a cause? >And what if they didn't? >Or what if they had a cause, but there was no damn _reason_ they >should have died? >Tony didn't need to have his cycle throttle stick, sending him tearing >through a barbed-wire fence at sixty miles an hour. He was two days >past sixteen years old -- the bike was a birthday present from his >parents He died less than twenty minutes after leaving his >girlfriend's house. >I got to "identify" the corpse. >Happy birthday, Tony. >>Would you not try to do something about it? >Yeah, but there's a hell of a lot more that one can do besides bitch >and carp about how bad life's treating them. >>Have you ever watched someone, or some agency, or some "system" slowly crush >>the life out of someone who was dear to you? >Oooooh. The big, bad system. The evil, naughty empire that crushes >the soul. Oooooh. >Better get into your bunker and seal it after you while you have the >chance, Ms.survivalist. >>Or maybe you've never had anyone who was that dear to you? >Or maybe they've actually got the moral fibre to take responsibility >for themselves, the courage to make something of themselves and the >inner strength to go on when it feels like the world's crashing around >you day after day after day. >Ever think of that? >>Try to learn something about the people you are talking to. >Pot. Kettle. Oh, fuck it. You know the routine. >B'sides, _you're_ the one claiming to be a mediator. >Then again, your little pal claims to be possessed by Angels. >I'm looking at both statements, here. >And you know what? >I'm laughing. Be carefull not to get on the bad side of John deSalvio. If you get on his bad side, he'll say that you: "wallow in self pity." john1@world.std.com (Fred Cherry) ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: "Daisy Duck" Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 16:47:57 -0500 Where did this come from? Could someone please explain? Daisy Mom To Buster 11-3-75 6-17-97 Fred Cherry wrote in message ... >jmnorthw@gte.net (J. Northwood) writes: > >>On Tue, 08 Sep 1998 09:16:21 +0200, Nicole Lasher >> wrote: > >>>Yeah, and how many loves of your life have died recently? > >>< sob > Oh, oh dear. > >>< snif > So, so terribly sad, isn't it? > >>Grow up, wench. > >>How many "loves" have you had die at all? First "fiancee", or >>whatever you'd like to call it? First "date"? No? > >>Gee, I win. > >>>I ask you, how would you feel, or react, if you had to watch people you >>>loved die slowly? > >>Been there, done that, cared for him for five years. > >>My father in law. He died Christmas Eve, 1995. > >>by the last eight months he couldn't walk more than three steps, and >>even that was with support. By the last two months, he couldn't keep >>solid food down. This man who had never cried in his life was sobbing >>with the effort of breathing, blubbering over the pain and crying >>about how he just wanted to die and get it over with. He was wearing >>diapers because he had no bladder or bowel control. He was on >>suppositories to quell the nausea, and a bland liquid diet they >>_hoped_ would stay down -- sometimes, and only sometimes, it did. And >>I was there for him, through the last day. I helped get his body >>ready for transport. I helped get the family through their crises, >>not giving myself time to grieve, because they needed me as much as I >>needed him. > >>Don't talk to me about loss, lass. Between my friends who've died of >>AIDS, some who've suicided over "life issues", one who's still in a >>mental institution after her father raped and tried to strangle her, >>my family situation . . . yeah, I think I can play the "sympathy" game >>rather effectively. > >>Guess what? I don't give a flying fuck at a rolling doughnut as to >>whether or not little Krahlin had an owie on his psyche from his lover >>dying. He's acting like a fucking jackass -- a sick, demented, >>fucking jackass. > >>And you're there holding his hand and telling him it's all okay, and >>he's oh so sure to be right. > >>Bullshit. > >>So he's "disabled". Well guess what, princess? I'm on a mixture of >>medications for both physiological and psychophysiological issues. If >>I didn't take them, I, too, would be more than eligible for >>disability. Right now, if I chose, I could apply and most likely be >>accepted due to a degenerative knee condition -- I'll probably be >>looking at a replacement or a wheelchair within five years. > >>So the fuck what? > >>I'm living my life, and everyone here who's responded to you and your >>little friend are living theirs. > >>He wants to be a separatist? Fine. Let him leave. We've offered him >>the money and he claims to have a passport. Let's see him keep his >>word for once -- let's see him _prove_ what he's saying. > >>He won't, though, and we all know it. You know it, too. > >>>What if their deaths had a cause? > >>And what if they didn't? > >>Or what if they had a cause, but there was no damn _reason_ they >>should have died? > >>Tony didn't need to have his cycle throttle stick, sending him tearing >>through a barbed-wire fence at sixty miles an hour. He was two days >>past sixteen years old -- the bike was a birthday present from his >>parents He died less than twenty minutes after leaving his >>girlfriend's house. > >>I got to "identify" the corpse. > >>Happy birthday, Tony. > >>>Would you not try to do something about it? > >>Yeah, but there's a hell of a lot more that one can do besides bitch >>and carp about how bad life's treating them. > >>>Have you ever watched someone, or some agency, or some "system" slowly crush >>>the life out of someone who was dear to you? > >>Oooooh. The big, bad system. The evil, naughty empire that crushes >>the soul. Oooooh. > >>Better get into your bunker and seal it after you while you have the >>chance, Ms.survivalist. > >>>Or maybe you've never had anyone who was that dear to you? > >>Or maybe they've actually got the moral fibre to take responsibility >>for themselves, the courage to make something of themselves and the >>inner strength to go on when it feels like the world's crashing around >>you day after day after day. > >>Ever think of that? > >>>Try to learn something about the people you are talking to. > >>Pot. Kettle. Oh, fuck it. You know the routine. > >>B'sides, _you're_ the one claiming to be a mediator. > >>Then again, your little pal claims to be possessed by Angels. > >>I'm looking at both statements, here. > >>And you know what? > >>I'm laughing. > >Be carefull not to get on the bad side of John deSalvio. > >If you get on his bad side, he'll say that you: "wallow in self pity." > > >john1@world.std.com (Fred Cherry) > > ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: Date: 14 Sep 1998 23:05:19 GMT dear daisy - beats me! i wonder if it is a person with multiple personalities talking to himself? it's so awful, it must be a put- on. is anyone really that hard hearted? does anyone really expect sympathy when they can give none? hmmmm don't want to get stuck here--lulu Daisy Duck wrote in article <6thelq$bcv$1@opal.southwind.net>... > Where did this come from? Could someone please explain? > > > >>On Tue, 08 Sep 1998 09:16:21 +0200, Nicole Lasher > >> wrote: > > > >>>Yeah, and how many loves of your life have died recently? > > > >>< sob > Oh, oh dear. > > > >>< snif > So, so terribly sad, isn't it? > > > >>Grow up, wench. > > > >>How many "loves" have you had die at all? First "fiancee", or > >>whatever you'd like to call it? First "date"? No? > > > >>Gee, I win. > > > >>>I ask you, how would you feel, or react, if you had to watch people you > >>>loved die slowly? > > > >>Been there, done that, cared for him for five years. > > > > ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: jmnorthw@gte.uce_is_icky.net (J. Northwood) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 22:19:09 GMT On Sun, 13 Sep 1998 20:33:56 GMT, john1@world.std.com (Fred Cherry) wrote: < snip > >Be carefull not to get on the bad side of John deSalvio. >If you get on his bad side, he'll say that you: "wallow in self pity." < snort > I don't think I need to worry, Fred, but thanks for the concern. ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: look@my.sig4address (Magenta) Date: 8 Sep 1998 13:13:08 GMT In [[35F4D9C4.C63F674E@netvision.net.il>> Nicole Lasher doth speak: >Frank Martinez Lester wrote: > >> Nothing is good enough for the Almighty Krahlin. >Yeah, and how many loves of your life have died recently? >I ask you, how would you feel, or react, if you had to watch people you >loved die slowly? >What if their deaths had a cause? Would you not try to do something about >it? >Have you ever watched someone, or some agency, or some "system" slowly crush >the life out of someone who was dear to you? >Or maybe you've never had anyone who was that dear to you? >Try to learn something about the people you are talking to. Niki, we KNOW about the person we are talking to. Having death and sadness in your life is NO EXCUSE for paranoia. You are in a gay discussion group- just about everyone here has had friends and loved ones die, just about everyone here has suffered from bigotry in our lives. These things do not justify his behavior. I can understand your need to sympathize with him and take pity on him, that is fine. Just don't get drawn into his world of self-absorbed hatred. -- +----- Peace & Love, ----+------- Magenta77 (at) AOL (dot) com ------+ | /| /| _ _ _ _-|-_ |"There are more things in heaven and earth,| | / |/ |(_|(_|(/_| )|(_| |...Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." | |_________ _/ __________|_________________--[Hamlet Act I: Scene V]_| ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: john1@world.std.com (Fred Cherry) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 20:43:50 GMT Magenta77@aol.com (Magenta) writes: >In [[35F4D9C4.C63F674E@netvision.net.il>> Nicole Lasher > doth speak: >>Frank Martinez Lester wrote: >> >>> Nothing is good enough for the Almighty Krahlin. >>Yeah, and how many loves of your life have died recently? >>I ask you, how would you feel, or react, if you had to watch people you >>loved die slowly? >>What if their deaths had a cause? Would you not try to do something about >>it? >>Have you ever watched someone, or some agency, or some "system" slowly crush >>the life out of someone who was dear to you? >>Or maybe you've never had anyone who was that dear to you? >>Try to learn something about the people you are talking to. >Niki, we KNOW about the person we are talking to. Having death and >sadness in your life is NO EXCUSE for paranoia. You are in a gay >discussion group- just about everyone here has had friends and loved >ones die, just about everyone here has suffered from bigotry in our >lives. These things do not justify his behavior. >I can understand your need to sympathize with him and take pity on >him, that is fine. Just don't get drawn into his world of >self-absorbed hatred. You have your world of self-absorbed hatred, Magenta. You hate heterosexuals who flame NAMBLA. >-- >+------ War & Hate, -----+------- Magenta77 (at) AOL (dot) com ----- -+ >| /| /| _ _ _ _-|-_ |"There are more things in heaven and earth,| >| / |/ |(_|(_|(/_| )|(_| |...Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." | >|_________ _/ __________|_________________--[Hamlet Act I: Scene V]_| john1@world.std.com (Fred Cherry) ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: Frank Martinez Lester Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 08:50:06 -0700 [[Yeah, and how many loves of your life have died recently? I ask you, how would you feel, or react, if you had to watch people you loved die slowly? What if their deaths had a cause? Would you not try to do something about it? Have you ever watched someone, or some agency, or some "system" slowly crush the life out of someone who was dear to you? Or maybe you've never had anyone who was that dear to you? Try to learn something about the people you are talking to.>> You know nothing about me or what I have lost or have not lost, Niki, so I would suggest that you save your harangues for someone who really deserves them. I have been HIV-positive for two and a half years, so I know something about systems crushing life out of people. Try to live without health insurance in the midst of a life-threatening illness & then come back to me with your smug, politically correct, holier-than-thou lectures. Your presumption & your arrogance are beyond belief. Maybe you need to learn something about the people you denigrate as well. Take your own advice. ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: Nicole Lasher Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 02:18:03 +0200 Frank Martinez Lester wrote: > You know nothing about me or what I have lost or have not lost, Niki, so I would > suggest that you save your harangues for someone who really deserves them. Which is why I asked instead of telling. I was, probably stupidly, concerned with how you are feeling, and whether or not you have suffered a loss for which there was no light at the end of the tunnel. Now, I know that you have. I still do not understand why you feel a need to come down on Ezekiel specifically, when there are others, possibly around you, who feel exactly as he does. I am trying to figure out whether it is something personal between you and him, or if it is just that you are projecting onto him, the disdain you have for the more "gung-ho" activists in your offline life. I don't know, so I am asking...What is it? > I have been HIV-positive for two and a half years, so I know something about > systems crushing life out of people. Try to live without health insurance in > the midst of a life-threatening illness & then come back to me with your smug, > politically correct, holier-than-thou lectures. You try doing all that AND with a child, and then get back to me. I'm not HIV positive, but make no mistake, there are other things just as deadly. They are just things I don't discuss with people I don't know well, or in public. I hate pity. > Your presumption & your > arrogance are beyond belief. Exactly what did I "presume"? And what has indicated to you that I am arrogant. Were I arrogant, would I be bothering with this conversation? > Maybe you need to learn something about the people you denigrate as well. Take > your own advice. Who am I "denigrating" by asking questions? That's not what questions are for. I asked, you answered, thank you very much. Now, please don't take my latest questions as insults. Answer them if you want...Don't answer them if you don't want... ~Niki > > > ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: Frank Martinez Lester Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 20:47:24 -0700 [[I still do not understand why you feel a need to come down on Ezekiel specifically, when there are others, possibly around you, who feel exactly as he does. >> I have "come down" on Ezekiel Krahlin because he appears to come down on anyone who does not share his belief system. There are ways of creating positive & even radical change that do not involve bullying, antagonism, arrogance, hypocrisy, blame, demonization, paranoia, delusional thinking, labelling people whom one does not know "traitors" & "imbeciles," & specializing in messiah complexes. Unfortunately, Mr Krahlin does not appear to know any other way to relate to people, & if he does, he has not demonstrated that ability here. If I am wrong about Mr Krahlin, I do not oppose being corrected. [[You try doing all that AND with a child, and then get back to me. I'm not HIV positive, but make no mistake, there are other things just as deadly. They are just things I don't discuss with people I don't know well, or in public. I hate pity.>> I am not asking for your pity. I am just pointing out that not everything is as simple as the surface first makes it seem. I felt the need to state the HIV diagnosis specifically because you stated that you thought that I had no idea what it is like to try to fight against a system that crushes the life out of people. I did NOT bring up my HIV diagnosis to garner pity. If you think I was asking for your pity or the pity of anyone else, you are mistaken. [[Exactly what did I "presume"?>> That I did not know the meaning of what is like to deal with systems that crush the life out of people. [[Now, please don't take my latest questions as insults. Answer them if you want...Don't answer them if you don't want...>> I do not take them as insults & I appreciate your effort to engage with me. ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 18:17:13 GMT On Tue, 08 Sep 1998 20:47:24 -0700, Frank Martinez Lester wrote: >I have "come down" on Ezekiel Krahlin because he appears to come down on anyone who does >not share his belief system. Wrong. Only the general belief system that says it is wrong to denigrate minorities, for any reason. Numerous gays in this group have spoken the cruelest words about disabled people and the poor...using me for their whipping post. >There are ways of creating positive & even radical change >that do not involve bullying, antagonism, arrogance, hypocrisy, blame, demonization, >paranoia, delusional thinking, labelling people whom one does not know "traitors" & >"imbeciles," & specializing in messiah complexes. I would say I fit none of the above descriptions. >If I am wrong about Mr Krahlin, I do not oppose being corrected. I would hope not; for corrected you shall soon be. >I am not asking for your pity. I am just pointing out that not everything is as simple >as the surface first makes it seem. I felt the need to state the HIV diagnosis And that was a brave thing to do. --- Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm --- My website kicks (but never licks) butt! http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: desalvo@monitor.net (John De Salvio) Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 09:30:03 -0700 In article <35F4D9C4.C63F674E@netvision.net.il>, Nicole Lasher wrote: > > > Frank Martinez Lester wrote: > > > Nothing is good enough for the Almighty Krahlin. > > > > > > Yeah, and how many loves of your life have died recently? > I ask you, how would you feel, or react, if you had to watch people you > loved die slowly? > What if their deaths had a cause? Would you not try to do something about > it? > Have you ever watched someone, or some agency, or some "system" slowly crush > the life out of someone who was dear to you? > Or maybe you've never had anyone who was that dear to you? > Try to learn something about the people you are talking to. Wake up, Nicole. Most homosexuals who live in cities have gone through it over and over again. I have friends who have buried dozens of their friends from AIDS. But they're not carrying on like this delusional paranoid jerk Ezekiel. I live in a small rural town. We have seen the deaths of over 300 men to AIDS, including straight teenagers. One of my close friends has a burial site on his property for those who died after having been banished by their families. YOU try learning about the people you are talking to. -- John NOTE: "From" address is deliberately wrong. My correct e-mail address is: desalvio["AT" SYMBOL]monitor.net ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: Frank Martinez Lester Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 10:49:23 -0700 [[Wake up, Nicole. Most homosexuals who live in cities have gone through it over and over again. I have friends who have buried dozens of their friends from AIDS. I live in a small rural town. We have seen the deaths of over 300 men to AIDS, including straight teenagers. One of my close friends has a burial site on his property for those who died after having been banished by their families. YOU try learning about the people you are talking to.>> Thank you, John. ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: Nicole Lasher Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 02:06:13 +0200 John De Salvio wrote: Wake up, Nicole. Most homosexuals who live in cities have gone through it > over and over again. I have friends who have buried dozens of their friends > from AIDS. Question: How does that differentiate you from me? Do you know me? > But they're not carrying on like this delusional paranoid jerk Ezekiel. Oh? Exactly how are they "carrying on"? I pose this question to you, specifically....How many activists do you know of who are happy with the status quo, and tell people to sit on their arses and let only the "leaders" and the government do the work? What, exactly, do you feel Ezekiel is paranoid about? Don't you feel apprehensive when passing by a group of homophobic guys in your town? If you do, do you think that makes you paranoid? Is it paranoia to accept that some people hate us and want us dead? Is it paranoia to believe that being dead is not a good thing, and that if we don't want to be dead, we should defend ourselves? On top of that, do you have to agree with everything every other person involved does, in order to support a cause? I don't believe that bisexuals are all that bad, as a group, but Ezekiel does. I do, however understand his stance on "bisexual politics", as I have heard the songs before, so to speak. I know what the swinger scene is like, and the things that they discuss, which is why I don't associate with those groups in the bisexual community. But do I think Ezekiel is paranoid for being suspicious of me, initially? No. I expect him to be suspicious of me, and would probably have thought less of him if I didn't catch some safety maneuvering from him at first. I expect to have to prove myself to everyone I meet...not just as a bisexual, but as a woman, as a Black woman, as any other category anyone would try to put me in. People have prejudices. That's life. Ezekiel sees heterosexuals a suspect until they prove otherwise...Don't you? Or is it just that you're not willing to say so in public? > I live in a small rural town. We have seen the deaths of over 300 men to AIDS, > including straight teenagers. One of my close friends has a burial site on his > property for those who died after having been banished by their families. That ought to tell you that Ezekiel isn't as paranoid as you think he is. This kind of thing happens all the time...Perhaps it is not I who am asleep? You see what is happening around you. Aren't you angry? > YOU try learning about the people you are talking to. Um, that is why I asked questions instead of flinging insults. It is not my fault that some people take a challenging question as an insult. ~Niki ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: Bill Lindemann Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 17:21:42 +0000 Nicole Lasher wrote: > What, exactly, do you feel Ezekiel is paranoid about? Don't you feel apprehensive > when passing by a group of homophobic guys in your town? If you do, do you think > that makes you paranoid? Is it paranoia to accept that some people hate us and > want us dead? Is it paranoia to believe that being dead is not a good thing, and > that if we don't want to be dead, we should defend ourselves? Nicole, this is not a valid description of Zeke's behavior. Of course I feel apprehensive when dealing with 'phobes, but if I were Zeke, I would respond by making a screaming charge at the first str8 couple I next saw, and proceed to beat them with my fists, all the while telling them that they are the source of all my problems. It would not matter to me, if I were Zeke, whether that couple were Xtian fun- damentalist phobes, or the heads of the local PFLAG chapter. They would be, by definition, "the enemy". -Bill ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 22:30:06 GMT On Tue, 08 Sep 1998 17:21:42 +0000, Bill Lindemann wrote: >Of course >I feel apprehensive when dealing with 'phobes, but if I were Zeke, >I would respond by making a screaming charge at the first str8 couple >I next saw, and proceed to beat them with my fists, all the while >telling them that they are the source of all my problems. I don't do that. I have never done that. So you definitely do not grasp my tactics. Therefore: how do you justify interpreting me in this way? >It would not matter to me, if I were Zeke, whether that couple were >Xtian fundamentalist phobes, or the heads of the local PFLAG >chapter. They would be, by definition, "the enemy". Too bad you interpret me in this fashion. But, as I said earlier, it takes some intelligence to understand my policies. --- Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm --- My website kicks (but never licks) butt! http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: scruffythecat@geocities.com (Scruffy van Piebles) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:31:05 GMT On Wed, 09 Sep 1998 22:30:06 GMT, ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) wrote: > >Too bad you interpret me in this fashion. But, as I said earlier, it >takes some intelligence to understand my policies. > Or some mushrooms. Scruffy ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: "James Doemer" Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 16:57:06 -0400 Scruffy van Piebles wrote in message <35faa158.6838853@news.supernews.com>... >On Wed, 09 Sep 1998 22:30:06 GMT, ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel >Krahlin) wrote: > >> >>Too bad you interpret me in this fashion. But, as I said earlier, it >>takes some intelligence to understand my policies. >> > >Or some mushrooms. > >Scruffy > Hehehe, personally, I prefer the Peyote... ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 07:20:47 GMT On Thu, 10 Sep 1998 16:57:06 -0400, "James Doemer" wrote: >>Or some mushrooms. >> >>Scruffy >> > >Hehehe, personally, I prefer the Peyote... You know, I've never bothered with magic mushrooms and similar substances. Just marijuana...which I stopped smoking over ten years ago. I am considering partaking of such organic mind alterers, once I find a receptive guide. Considering the way my mind works, I think I may gain some advantages with mild experimentation and use. --- Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm --- My website kicks (but never licks) butt! http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: "James Doemer" Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 07:38:08 -0400 Ezekiel Krahlin wrote in message <35f8ccf6.11277423@nntp.sj.bigger.net>... :On Thu, 10 Sep 1998 16:57:06 -0400, "James Doemer" : wrote: : :>>Or some mushrooms. :>> :>>Scruffy :>> :> :>Hehehe, personally, I prefer the Peyote... : :You know, I've never bothered with magic mushrooms and similar :substances. Just marijuana...which I stopped smoking over ten years :ago. I am considering partaking of such organic mind alterers, once I :find a receptive guide. Considering the way my mind works, I think I :may gain some advantages with mild experimentation and use. : : You can if you want, I did when I was younger, I found that it's really not worth it in the long run, so I found ways to experience highs without chemicals, organic or otherwise. I wake up without the headaches. The Peyote made the dessert survival training go easier though.. :c) ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 07:20:35 GMT On Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:31:05 GMT, scruffythecat@geocities.com (Scruffy van Piebles) wrote: >>Too bad you interpret me in this fashion. But, as I said earlier, it >>takes some intelligence to understand my policies. >> > >Or some mushrooms. There is more truth to this, than meets the eye. I seem to have part of my being projected into that realm of other dimensionness, just by my own fate... which most people cannot perceive without assistance of some mind-altering substance. This is why I feel so at home in the new realm of cyberspace. --- Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm --- My website kicks (but never licks) butt! http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: look@my.sig4address (Magenta) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 17:51:10 GMT In [[35f8cc74.11147326@nntp.sj.bigger.net>> ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) doth speak: >On Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:31:05 GMT, scruffythecat@geocities.com (Scruffy >van Piebles) wrote: > >>>Too bad you interpret me in this fashion. But, as I said earlier, it >>>takes some intelligence to understand my policies. >>> >> >>Or some mushrooms. > >There is more truth to this, than meets the eye. I seem to have part >of my being projected into that realm of other dimensionness, just by >my own fate... which most people cannot perceive without assistance of >some mind-altering substance. That realm is called psychosis. BTW- it is NOT a good thing. -- +----- Peace & Love, ----+------- Magenta77 (at) AOL (dot) com ------+ | /| /| _ _ _ _-|-_ |"There are more things in heaven and earth,| | / |/ |(_|(_|(/_| )|(_| |...Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." | |_________ _/ __________|_________________--[Hamlet Act I: Scene V]_| ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 22:06:16 GMT On Sat, 12 Sep 1998 17:51:10 GMT, look@my.sig4address (Magenta) wrote: >That realm is called psychosis. > >BTW- it is NOT a good thing. Look, your own mental health is seriously in question, considering how consistently you pick at me about my disability. I certainly hope you are not in any profession or avocation that has to do with healing or nurturing. --- Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm --- My website kicks (but never licks) butt! http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: Bill Lindemann Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 19:32:58 +0000 Ezekiel Krahlin wrote: > Look, your own mental health is seriously in question, considering how > consistently you pick at me about my disability. I certainly hope you > are not in any profession or avocation that has to do with healing or > nurturing. A VOCATION is a skilled trade that one works in. An AVOCATION is a hobby. Any hobbyist hearlers out there? -Bill ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 04:51:48 GMT On Mon, 14 Sep 1998 19:32:58 +0000, Bill Lindemann wrote: >A VOCATION is a skilled trade that one works in. An AVOCATION >is a hobby. Any hobbyist hearlers out there? The best healers, the honest, non-scamming ones, heal as a sideline, with no money for their work. Accepting money for such gifts pollutes and diminishes your psychic abilities. In my case, I will accept money to support me on the gay rights issue...however, I do a whole lot of things of a healing nature, for which I refuse any money. --- Pennsylvania Dutch Gay Jesus says: "Throw the hetero over the fence some hay." --- The Final Testament, a Bible by and for Gays only: http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ I come like a thief in the night! --- Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: salty Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 02:12:32 +0000 --------------A658401340C46DD9336A89BC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x- mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ezekiel Krahlin wrote: > On Mon, 14 Sep 1998 19:32:58 +0000, Bill Lindemann > > wrote: > > >A VOCATION is a skilled trade that one works in. An AVOCATION > >is a hobby. Any hobbyist hearlers out there? > > The best healers, and the best phone psychics... > the honest, non-scamming ones, i smell irony. > heal as a sideline, > with no money for their work. get what you pay for. > Accepting money for such gifts the gift of superstition. believing in this pseudo-scientific bullpap is the same as believing in gawdawlmitey, fairies(not you robbie), american democracy, and faith healing(hi butty! assface...). > pollutes > and diminishes your psychic abilities. i hear a laugh track when i read this post. anyone else? > In my case, I will accept money > to support me on the gay rights issue... very benevolent, you shyster. > however, I do a whole lot of > things of a healing nature, for which I refuse any money. and law suits and fda inquiries. > > > --- > Pennsylvania Dutch Gay Jesus says: > "Throw the hetero over the fence some hay." i'm straight and my gay friends(here where i live in cyberspace think dumbass comments and slogans like that only serve to make you look even nuttier. > --- > The Final Testament, a Bible by and for Gays only: then why do so many gays ignore it? > http://members.xoom.com/ezekielkthe nut/ > I come like a thief in the night! > --- > Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass > for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! three words:wash your ass > http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/co.htm paul -- salty king salty music&pitcures toronto canada "for we still keep our time to the turn of the tide this boat that i built with my father still lifts to the sky! the one-lunger and i still talk like old friends on the water" -from_make and break harbour_by stan rogers --------------A658401340C46DD9336A89BC Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ezekiel Krahlin wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 1998 19:32:58 +0000, Bill Lindemann <wcl@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:
>A VOCATION is a skilled trade that one works in. An AVOCATION
>is a hobby. Any hobbyist hearlers out there?
The best healers,
and the best phone psychics...
the honest, non-scamming ones,
i smell irony.
heal as a sideline,
with no money for their work.
get what you pay for.
Accepting money for such gifts
the gift of superstition. believing in this pseudo-scientific bullpap is the same as believing in gawdawlmitey, fairies(not you robbie<smoocheroonie!>), american democracy, and faith healing(hi butty! assface...).
pollutes
and diminishes your psychic abilities.
i hear a laugh track when i read this post. anyone else?
In my case, I will accept money
to support me on the gay rights issue...
very benevolent, you shyster.
however, I do a whole lot of
things of a healing nature, for which I refuse any money.
and law suits and fda inquiries.

---
Pennsylvania Dutch Gay Jesus says:
"Throw the hetero over the fence some hay."
i'm straight and my gay friends(here where i live in cyberspace think dumbass comments and slogans like that only serve to make you look even nuttier.

---
The Final Testament, a Bible by and for Gays only:
then why do so many gays ignore it?

http://members.xoom.com/ezeki elkthe nut/
I come like a thief in the night!
---
Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass
for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts!
three words:wash
your
ass

http://www.2xtreme.n et/jwd/k6/co.htm
paul

--
salty
king salty music&pitcures
toronto canada
"for we still keep our time to the turn of the tide
this boat that i built with my father
still lifts to the sky! the one-lunger and i
still talk like old friends on the water"
-from_make and break harbour_by stan rogers
--------------A658401340C46DD9336A89BC-- ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 08:43:40 GMT On Tue, 15 Sep 1998 02:12:32 +0000, salty wrote: >> >A VOCATION is a skilled trade that one works in. An AVOCATION >> >is a hobby. Any hobbyist hearlers out there? >> >> The best healers, > >and the best phone psychics... I think I made it very clear that phone psychics would be in the category of fakes. I am not so much a psychic healer, as a psychological one...for the word "psyche" means "mind". >> the honest, non-scamming ones, > >i smell irony. No, I think you smell yourself. Take a bath. >> heal as a sideline, >> with no money for their work. > >get what you pay for. No way. When you are devoted to something, money is far from your intent. I have seen people I've healed, several years later living a spiritually rich life...when before I met them, they were miserable. Sometimes only a few kind words from me was all it took. I have seen a lot of people's lives turn around, after I encounter them...so after many years, I concluded that I can heal. >the gift of superstition. believing in this pseudo-scientific bullpap is >the same as believing in gawdawlmitey, fairies(not you >robbie), american democracy, and faith healing(hi butty! >assface...). No, it isn't. But you are entitled to your hard-core scientific beliefs...though they can be pap, too. What is in the mind of man, is all possible. Our minds have great fantasies, some of which are really visions of things to come, or were, rather than just imagination. Some of our greatest scientists made their breakthroughs from dreams. >i hear a laugh track when i read this post. anyone else? You can laugh all you want, far be it from me to stifle your nervous energy. I respect both the laws of science, and the laws of imagination. I have no conflict with either. Nor have some of our greatest minds. >> In my case, I will accept money >> to support me on the gay rights issue... > >very benevolent, you shyster. And why is accepting money to support work which I do mostly for free, and which is my life's pleasure and calling, wrong? They call it self-employment. You do free lance work, people pay you for it. I am a free lance activist. Do you think people who free lance are shysters? I seek out homeless gays people, and offer them a free web page, so they can have a voice to the world. I do other things to, as a self-made activist. Anyone who likes what I'm doing, is welcome to send me some financial support. >> however, I do a whole lot of >> things of a healing nature, for which I refuse any money. > >and law suits and fda inquiries. Ummm, you don't know your ass from your elbow. What healing I do, is not advertised as such, nor do I usually tell someone I encounter, who is in need of help, that I am a healer. I just present myself in a way that will benefit them, though they may not know...or they may, later on. I heal with my words and thoughts. My influence therefore, will have an impact through my messages in Usenet, too. >> Pennsylvania Dutch Gay Jesus says: >> "Throw the hetero over the fence some hay." > >i'm straight and my gay friends(here where i live in cyberspace think >dumbass comments and slogans like that only serve to make you look even >nuttier. Well, I've already received several messages from heteros who think it's quite funny. You're just a humorless sot, along with your sad gay friends. >> --- >> The Final Testament, a Bible by and for Gays only: > >then why do so many gays ignore it? Because they're not on the Internet yet. You tell me why so many gays who are, actually like what I'm doing. Check out my guestbooks. >> Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass >> for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! > >three words:wash your ass two words: lick it How strange of you to attack my parody of Peanuts now...when early in this thread you supported me! Having a bad hair day, or something? Oh, I forgot: you're hetero...that explains your two faces. --- Pennsylvania Dutch Gay Jesus says: "Throw the hetero over the fence some hay." --- The Final Testament, a Bible by and for Gays only: http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ I come like a thief in the night! --- Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: salty Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 23:49:51 +0000 Ezekiel Krahlin wrote: > On Tue, 15 Sep 1998 02:12:32 +0000, salty > wrote: > > >> >A VOCATION is a skilled trade that one works in. An AVOCATION > >> >is a hobby. Any hobbyist hearlers out there? > >> > >> The best healers, > > > >and the best phone psychics... > > I think I made it very clear that phone psychics would be in the > category of fakes. i think i made it very clear that you are inclided there with them. > I am not so much a psychic healer, as a > psychological one...for the word "psyche" means "mind". a scam by any other name... > > > >> the honest, non-scamming ones, > > > >i smell irony. > > No, I think you smell yourself. Take a bath. no, it's irony.you call someone else a scam, when you're peddling the same scam. > > > >> heal as a sideline, > >> with no money for their work. > > > >get what you pay for. > > No way. When you are devoted to something, money is far from your > intent. devoted to a lie. pay with your soul. > I have seen people I've healed, several years later living a > spiritually rich life...when before I met them, they were miserable. that's incredible! i've seen people who, after seeing me, were doing well ten years later!and i thought it was just a coincidence... > Sometimes only a few kind words from me was all it took. i'm sure. > I have seen a > lot of people's lives turn around, after I encounter them...so after > many years, I concluded that I can heal. after two posts, i conclude you're full of beans. > > > >the gift of superstition. believing in this pseudo-scientific bullpap > is > >the same as believing in gawdawlmitey, fairies(not you > >robbie), american democracy, and faith healing(hi > butty! > >assface...). > > No, it isn't. But you are entitled to your hard-core scientific > beliefs... proof *is* a bitch, isn't it? > though they can be pap, too. at least a rational effort was made to verify claims. > What is in the mind of man, is > all possible. peddling bad pseudoscience, zeke? > Our minds have great fantasies, some of which are really > visions of things to come, or were, rather than just imagination. and it's amazing how everyone who goes through regression therapy believes they were either cleopatra or napoleon. > Some > of our greatest scientists made their breakthroughs from dreams. it's called creativity. > > > >i hear a laugh track when i read this post. anyone else? > > You can laugh all you want, far be it from me to stifle your nervous > energy. my rational laughter at your expense, you mean. > I respect both the laws of science, and the laws of > imagination. I have no conflict with either. Nor have some of our > greatest minds. > > >> In my case, I will accept money > >> to support me on the gay rights issue... > > > >very benevolent, you shyster. > > And why is accepting money to support work which I do mostly for free, > > and which is my life's pleasure and calling, wrong? becausew there is no proof this crap works and the gov't frowns on having it's citizens shafted by fake phychic "healers" and charlatans. > They call it > self-employment. the call it scamming. snake oil. > You do free lance work, people pay you for it. i perform a proven and verifiable service. > I am a > free lance activist. Do you think people who free lance are shysters? i think you are a shyster. > I seek out homeless gays people, and offer them a free web page, so > they can have a voice to the world. I do other things to, as a > self-made activist. Anyone who likes what I'm doing, is welcome to > send me some financial support. can i send you some of my shit in a colostmy bag? > > > >> however, I do a whole lot of > >> things of a healing nature, for which I refuse any money. > > > >and law suits and fda inquiries. > > Ummm, you don't know your ass from your elbow. What healing I do, is > not advertised as such, see my sentence above. > nor do I usually tell someone I encounter, who > is in need of help, that I am a healer. see my sentence above. > I just present myself in a way > that will benefit them, though they may not know...or they may, later > on. makes it easier to claim responsability for the "healing". > I heal with my words and thoughts. My influence therefore, will > have an impact through my messages in Usenet, too. laughter *is* the best medicine... > > > >> Pennsylvania Dutch Gay Jesus says: > >> "Throw the hetero over the fence some hay." > > > >i'm straight and my gay friends(here where i live in cyberspace think > > >dumbass comments and slogans like that only serve to make you look > even > >nuttier. > > Well, I've already received several messages from heteros who think > it's quite funny. You're just a humorless sot, along with your sad gay > > friends. not quite.i just don't like shysters. > > > >> --- > >> The Final Testament, a Bible by and for Gays only: > > > >then why do so many gays ignore it? > > Because they're not on the Internet yet. let me rephrase that.why do so many gays on the internet ignore it? > You tell me why so many gays > who are, actually like what I'm doing. Check out my guestbooks. check out my underpants. > > > >> Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass > >> for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! > > > >three words:wash your ass > > two words: lick it "heal" it first, *then i'll lick it.btw, that didn't ring with the "humour" you accuse me of lacking, zeke. > > > How strange of you to attack my parody of Peanuts now...when early in > this thread you supported me! i think the right or satire and parody is important. > Having a bad hair day, or something? Oh, > I forgot: you're hetero...that explains your two faces. huh?i forgot you're an ass, which explains your two cheeks. > > > --- > Pennsylvania Dutch Gay Jesus says: > "Throw the hetero over the fence some hay." > --- > The Final Testament, a Bible by and for Gays only: > http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ > I come like a thief in the night! > --- > Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass > for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! > http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm -- salty king salty music&pitcures toronto canada "for we still keep our time to the turn of the tide this boat that i built with my father still lifts to the sky! the one-lunger and i still talk like old friends on the water" -from_make and break harbour_by stan rogers ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:31:28 GMT On Tue, 15 Sep 1998 23:49:51 +0000, salty wrote: >no, it's irony.you call someone else a scam, when you're peddling the >same scam. You really should become more knowledgeable in these matters. I really recommend you read a couple books by Carl Jung. Considering that most of our economy is based on scamming others, even without any psychic mumbo-jumbo, I can only say that fake visionaries are following the time-tested and proven Amerikan snake-oil tradition. I assure you, I am no fake. However, the proof is in the pudding, and I guarantee that proof of my sincerity and ability, will come along shortly. Meanwhile, I'd say that my abilities parallel those gifted ones who assist the police department in locating murder victims. --- Pennsylvania Dutch Gay Jesus says: "Throw the hetero over the fence some hay." --- The Final Testament, a Bible by and for Gays only: http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ I come like a thief in the night! --- Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: salty Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 13:05:14 +0000 Ezekiel Krahlin wrote: > On Tue, 15 Sep 1998 23:49:51 +0000, salty > wrote: > > >no, it's irony.you call someone else a scam, when you're peddling the > > >same scam. > > You really should become more knowledgeable in these matters. i am more than you think. > I really > recommend you read a couple books by Carl Jung. Considering that most > of our economy is based on scamming others, even without any psychic > mumbo-jumbo, I can only say that fake visionaries are following the > time-tested and proven Amerikan snake-oil tradition. which is where i placed you. > > > I assure you, I am no fake. However, the proof is in the pudding, the pudding scam, eh? > and > I guarantee that proof of my sincerity and ability, will come along > shortly. Meanwhile, I'd say that my abilities parallel those gifted > ones who assist the police department in locating murder victims. do you see why i think you're full of it? the "psychics" who "help" the police have been proven to have no "abilities" whatsoever. so, yes, you are on par with those shysters. > > > --- > Pennsylvania Dutch Gay Jesus says: > "Throw the hetero over the fence some hay." > --- > The Final Testament, a Bible by and for Gays only: > http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ > I come like a thief in the night! > --- > Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass > for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! > http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm -- salty king salty music&pitcures toronto canada "for we still keep our time to the turn of the tide this boat that i built with my father still lifts to the sky! the one-lunger and i still talk like old friends on the water" -from_make and break harbour_by stan rogers ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: Jeffrey Croft Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:14:26 -0700 Ezekiel Krahlin wrote: > The best healers, the honest, non-scamming ones, heal as a sideline, > with no money for their work. Accepting money for such gifts pollutes > and diminishes your psychic abilities. In my case, I will accept money > to support me on the gay rights issue...however, I do a whole lot of > things of a healing nature, for which I refuse any money. I know very effective healers who charge money. There is no litmus test for a good healer (except that his clients get better) and money doesn't necessarily pollute one's psychic abilities. You can't heal if you can't eat. It's what's going on inside one's head that affects one's psychic abilities. I don't think you'd find real shamans on usenet saying things like, "I do a whole lot of things of a healing nature." I don't think real shamans have any need to toot their own horn. Jeff jdcroft@best.*nospam*.com ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 20:11:53 GMT On Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:14:26 -0700, Jeffrey Croft wrote: >I don't think you'd find real shamans on usenet saying things like, "I do >a whole lot of things of a healing nature." I don't think real shamans >have any need to toot their own horn. It has been my initiation into shaman-hood, to be not believed, to be ridiculed. And it has been my challenge to speak for myself, in order to learn to believe in myself even more. I am learning self-confidence, to not let other people's words sway me in any way. It takes guts to do this...as I open myself up to ridicule. Your understanding of "shaman" is a definition that may apply to some, but not all. A shaman is anyone with special gifts to transform people or reality...whether healing, inspiring, or revolutionary. Some shamans, because of their particular gifts, have no choice but to experience ridicule and disbelief as part of their path. As for accepting money: it is not a cool idea, though it can be done. So I only accept funds to help support my activities as a supporter of gay rights. In my case, my powers will become so strong, that I will quickly (and soon) surpass the need of any money. I'll be able to go where I want, when I want...ride a jet, or train, eat at any restaurant, welcome in any home. I won't need any ID, not even a passport. I'm afraid those shamans/healers/psychics, etc. who *do seem to be honest and effective, and who *do accept money...have placed themselves on a particular level, and are satisfied in that. However, as long as they earn a living directly through these gifts, they will remain stuck on that level, and not evolve. The idea of not accepting payment for healing, is a test to the healer, to see if he or she cares enough to forego certain luxuries and temptations (which are of the ego, and not the soul). I may give the impression that I am surrounded by guardians, gurus, and followers...but not, I am pretty much alone. I feel, though, like I'm surrounded by friends...as I sense the angels' presence and guidance. They tell me my role soon to be enjoyed before the world. No one in the physical realm is advising me, or telling me the things I have just said. It is more of a natural "knowing" that asserts itself within my spirit. --- Pennsylvania Dutch Gay Jesus says: "Throw the hetero over the fence some hay." --- The Final Testament, a Bible by and for Gays only: http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ I come like a thief in the night! --- Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: salty Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 23:53:32 +0000 Ezekiel Krahlin wrote: > On Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:14:26 -0700, Jeffrey Croft > wrote: > > >I don't think you'd find real shamans on usenet saying things like, > "I do > >a whole lot of things of a healing nature." I don't think real > shamans > >have any need to toot their own horn. > > It has been my initiation into shaman-hood, to be not believed, to be > ridiculed. And it has been my challenge to speak for myself, in order > to learn to believe in myself even more. I am learning > self-confidence, to not let other people's words sway me in any way. > It takes guts to do this...as I open myself up to ridicule. > > Your understanding of "shaman" is a definition that may apply to some, > > but not all. A shaman is anyone with special gifts to transform people > > or reality...whether healing, inspiring, or revolutionary. Some > shamans, because of their particular gifts, have no choice but to > experience ridicule and disbelief as part of their path. > > As for accepting money: it is not a cool idea, though it can be done. > So I only accept funds to help support my activities as a supporter of > > gay rights. zeke, i support this part of your "mission" 100%(aside from the het generalizations, which make you sound like a bigot).but when you say: > In my case, my powers will become so strong, that I will > quickly (and soon) surpass the need of any money. I'll be able to go > where I want, when I want...ride a jet, or train, eat at any > restaurant, welcome in any home. I won't need any ID, not even a > passport. *then* i disbelieve you. > (snip) gig it? -- salty king salty music&pitcures toronto canada "for we still keep our time to the turn of the tide this boat that i built with my father still lifts to the sky! the one-lunger and i still talk like old friends on the water" -from_make and break harbour_by stan rogers ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:31:38 GMT On Tue, 15 Sep 1998 23:53:32 +0000, salty wrote: >zeke, i support this part of your "mission" 100%(aside from the het >generalizations, which make you sound like a bigot).but when you say: >> In my case, my powers will become so strong, >*then* i disbelieve you. I have no problem with anyone disbelieving any extraordinary claims I make. It would be absolutely wrong for me to persuade anyone to believe me without any proof. The proof will come along shortly. Meanwhile, please do not feel I require your belief...in fact, you are merely being honest...as am I, to the best of my ability. I have intentionally opened myself up to ridicule...as I have come to realize that part of my spiritual initiation is to first make myself into a fool...or at least appear as one. It is an act of faith. Am I brave enough to speak exactly what is on my mind, in how I perceive reality? Yes...and that is more honest than pretending I don't have these thoughts, which may appear to be delusionary...and I don't blame anyone for seeing them, or some of them, as such. We are in the middle of a process. --- Pennsylvania Dutch Gay Jesus says: "Throw the hetero over the fence some hay." --- The Final Testament, a Bible by and for Gays only: http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ I come like a thief in the night! --- Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: salty Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 13:01:55 +0000 Ezekiel Krahlin wrote: > On Tue, 15 Sep 1998 23:53:32 +0000, salty > wrote: > > >zeke, i support this part of your "mission" 100%(aside from the het > >generalizations, which make you sound like a bigot).but when you say: > > >> In my case, my powers will become so strong, > > > >*then* i disbelieve you. > > I have no problem with anyone disbelieving any extraordinary claims I > make. It would be absolutely wrong for me to persuade anyone to > believe me without any proof. The proof will come along shortly. get back to us when that proof materializes. > Meanwhile, please do not feel I require your belief... just giving my opinion. > in fact, you are > merely being honest...as am I, to the best of my ability. > > I have intentionally opened myself up to ridicule...as I have come to > realize that part of my spiritual initiation is to first make myself > into a fool...or at least appear as one. nail to a cross, anyone? > It is an act of faith. Am I > brave enough to speak exactly what is on my mind, in how I perceive > reality? Yes...and that is more honest than pretending I don't have > these thoughts, which may appear to be delusionary...and I don't blame > > anyone for seeing them, or some of them, as such. are you seeing a shrink then? > > > We are in the middle of a process. sure we are. > > > --- > Pennsylvania Dutch Gay Jesus says: > "Throw the hetero over the fence some hay." > --- > The Final Testament, a Bible by and for Gays only: > http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ > I come like a thief in the night! > --- > Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass > for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! > http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm -- salty king salty music&pitcures toronto canada "for we still keep our time to the turn of the tide this boat that i built with my father still lifts to the sky! the one-lunger and i still talk like old friends on the water" -from_make and break harbour_by stan rogers ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 08:51:42 GMT On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 13:01:55 +0000, salty wrote: >> I have no problem with anyone disbelieving any extraordinary claims I >> make. It would be absolutely wrong for me to persuade anyone to >> believe me without any proof. The proof will come along shortly. > >get back to us when that proof materializes. Don't worry about that, I certainly will. >> I have intentionally opened myself up to ridicule...as I have come to >> realize that part of my spiritual initiation is to first make myself >> into a fool...or at least appear as one. > >nail to a cross, anyone? Nonsense. Putting oneself up to possible ridicule is a far cry from yielding to physical mutilation. You do exaggerate. >are you seeing a shrink then? Certainly. And he, like my previous ones, consider me spiritually gifted, and will not stand in my way. They are only here to protect me from the judgment of others that would shackle me to slave labor and minimum wage. They understand schizophrenia as laid out by Carl Jung: a mystical power if worked through correctly. >> We are in the middle of a process. > >sure we are. We could put you in the blender, press the "chop" button and see! --- Pennsylvania Dutch Gay Jesus says: "Throw the hetero over the fence some hay." --- The Final Testament, a Bible by and for Gays only: http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ I come like a thief in the night! --- Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: sheroux@europa.nospam.com (RavensHeart) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 09:57:23 GMT On Thu, 17 Sep 1998 08:51:42 GMT, ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) wrote: >On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 13:01:55 +0000, salty >wrote: > >>> I have no problem with anyone disbelieving any extraordinary claims I >>> make. It would be absolutely wrong for me to persuade anyone to >>> believe me without any proof. The proof will come along shortly. >> >>get back to us when that proof materializes. > >Don't worry about that, I certainly will. > The clocks ticking. We're all waiting for your "signs and wonders" >>> I have intentionally opened myself up to ridicule...as I have come to >>> realize that part of my spiritual initiation is to first make myself >>> into a fool...or at least appear as one. >> >>nail to a cross, anyone? > >Nonsense. Putting oneself up to possible ridicule is a far cry from >yielding to physical mutilation. You do exaggerate. > Well, gawd knows, you certainly have fulfilled that "requirement". When your predictions don't come to pass (days away and counting!) will you then say, "Oh, that was just to intentionally open myself up to ridicule". Is that your golden parachute? >>are you seeing a shrink then? > >Certainly. And he, like my previous ones, consider me spiritually >gifted, and will not stand in my way. They are only here to protect me >from the judgment of others that would shackle me to slave labor and >minimum wage. They understand schizophrenia as laid out by Carl Jung: >a mystical power if worked through correctly. > And who might they be? >>> We are in the middle of a process. >> >>sure we are. > >We could put you in the blender, press the "chop" button and see! > > Which of your "spirits" wrote that? >--- >Pennsylvania Dutch Gay Jesus says: >"Throw the hetero over the fence some hay." >--- >The Final Testament, a Bible by and for Gays only: >http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ >I come like a thief in the night! >--- >Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass >for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! >http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: sheroux@europa.nospam.com (RavensHeart) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 02:00:41 GMT On Thu, 17 Sep 1998 21:57:05 GMT, ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) wrote: >On Thu, 17 Sep 1998 09:57:23 GMT, sheroux@europa.nospam.com >(RavensHeart) wrote: > >>Well, gawd knows, you certainly have fulfilled that "requirement". >>When your predictions don't come to pass (days away and counting!) >>will you then say, "Oh, that was just to intentionally open myself up >>to ridicule". Is that your golden parachute? > >Whether they pass or not...the creativity generated is still quite >valuable...in the forms of tales and poems that are both entertaining >and enlightening. Those who would try to tear me to pieces if my >prophecies don't fulfill, are only showing their true vulture natures. >I am in a win-win situation. > How fucking convenient. ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:10:11 GMT On Fri, 18 Sep 1998 02:00:41 GMT, sheroux@europa.nospam.com (RavensHeart) wrote: >How fucking convenient. Not just fucking convenient, but also: kissing convenient, eating convenient, sleeping convenient, driving convenient, walking convenient, talking convenient, reading convenient, shopping convenient, drinking convenient, and even banking convenient...to name but a few. --- Pennsylvania Dutch Gay Jesus says: "Throw the hetero over the fence some hay." --- The Final Testament, a Bible by and for Gays only: http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ I come like a thief in the night! --- Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: sheroux@europa.nospam.com (RavensHeart) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 02:06:41 GMT On Thu, 17 Sep 1998 22:03:23 GMT, ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) wrote: >On Thu, 17 Sep 1998 09:57:23 GMT, sheroux@europa.nospam.com >(RavensHeart) wrote: > >>Well, gawd knows, you certainly have fulfilled that "requirement". > >When responding to petty spirits such as yourself, I just keep this >saying in mind: > > Pearls, even when cast before swine, do not lose their luster. Whatever. Still counting down. ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: jmnorthw@gte.uce_is_icky.net (J. Northwood) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 02:11:11 GMT On Thu, 17 Sep 1998 21:57:05 GMT, ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) wrote: >Whether they pass or not...the creativity generated is still quite >valuable...in the forms of tales and poems that are both entertaining >and enlightening. Those who would try to tear me to pieces if my >prophecies don't fulfill, are only showing their true vulture natures. >I am in a win-win situation. Of course. You don't have to prove anything, and when nothing happens to support your "prophecies", you'll say either that you were "testing" us, "pulling our chains", "pushing our buttons" or were misunderstood. It's not the right time, the moon's not in the right phase, the sacrifice wasn't juicy enough . . . same old, same old. >Shamans who have decided to work within the system, to protect many >innocents, who would otherwise be crushed. Thus, they hold psychiatric >licenses. Ballocks. Here, as elsewhere, you're simply talking to yourself. ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:10:13 GMT On Fri, 18 Sep 1998 02:11:11 GMT, jmnorthw@gte.uce_is_icky.net (J. Northwood) wrote: >Here, as elsewhere, you're simply talking to yourself. Then why are you talking back? --- Pennsylvania Dutch Gay Jesus says: "Throw the hetero over the fence some hay." --- The Final Testament, a Bible by and for Gays only: http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ I come like a thief in the night! --- Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 20:27:19 GMT On Fri, 18 Sep 1998 02:11:11 GMT, jmnorthw@gte.uce_is_icky.net (J. Northwood) wrote: >>Shamans who have decided to work within the system, to protect many >>innocents, who would otherwise be crushed. Thus, they hold psychiatric >>licenses. > >Ballocks. You just have a typically conventional perception of what a shaman is, and how s/he should behave. Your world is smaller than mine. --- Pennsylvania Dutch Gay Jesus says: "Throw the hetero over the fence some hay." --- The Final Testament, a Bible by and for Gays only: http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ I come like a thief in the night! --- Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: jmnorthw@gte.uce_is_icky.net (J. Northwood) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 00:14:33 GMT On Fri, 18 Sep 1998 20:27:19 GMT, ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) wrote: >You just have a typically conventional perception of what a shaman is, >and how s/he should behave. Your world is smaller than mine. Considering I've worked with a number of shaman -- both religiously and professionally -- from a number of paths and traditions, considering that I live with one follows a fairly strict path and who has studied with Wallace Black-Elk, and considering that one of my anthro instructors was a shaman-in-training under one of chief shaman of the Quiché Maya in Mexico, I'd say I have a fairly solid idea of shamanism and what a shaman is. As well, considering your constant readiness to make a priori assumptions about people and beliefs based on your own preconceived prejudices, where do you get off saying you know what it is and how good you are when all you've evinced so far is the same sort of megalomania and blanket hatred that writhes around most practitioners of the left-hand path? ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: Frank Martinez Lester Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 18:02:27 -0700 [[As well, considering your constant readiness to make a priori assumptions about people and beliefs based on your own preconceived prejudices, where do you get off saying you know what it is and how good you are when all you've evinced so far is the same sort of megalomania and blanket hatred that writhes around most practitioners of the left-hand path?>> We all keep responding to EK as though he is a rational creature. EK is not a rational creature. He has some rational things to say sometimes, but other than that, he has his own version of reality. He is a schizophrenic human living in his own dimension of reality. It is clear that this is so. This is not a good thing or a bad thing. It is just the way it is. It is his construction of reality. If he chooses to believe what he believes, there is nothing wrong with that. If his reality is the way it is, there is nothing we can do or should do to force another version of reality on him. The more we attack his beliefs, the more he will defend them. It is that simple. This thread has gone on way too long. EK will not stop responding until we stop goading him to respond. If we accept that he has a different take on reality & let it go at that life will be a little bit easier for all concerned. But if we go on firing back at every single thing EK says, this thread will continue ad infinitum. I am really beginning to see Niki's point about all this. ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 08:25:18 GMT On Fri, 18 Sep 1998 18:02:27 -0700, Frank Martinez Lester wrote: >We all keep responding to EK as though he is a rational creature. And well they should! To do otherwise is to sin. >EK is not a rational creature. Sin away, lost soul! >He has some rational things to say sometimes, but other than that, he has >his own version of reality. Like, Du-uhh! >He is a schizophrenic human living in his own dimension of reality. It is >clear that this is so. Oh, is it now? You haven't even met me in person...yet you insist on diagnosing me...as a schizophrenic yet! I would hardly consider your evaluation as anything even remotely professional or learned. Your arrogance leaves a foul odor in the ether. >This is not a good thing or a bad thing. It is just the way it is. It is >his construction of reality. It sure as hell is! A construction I am successfully projecting into the real world of all other minds. Or, as I like to see it: God is granting me some wishes come true. >The more we attack his beliefs, the more he will defend them. It is >that simple. Untrue. All attacks upon me are nothing new. They are the same old variations of several attacks I have dealt with throughout my life. I have yet to be attacked from any new angle, for over 30 years...and seriously doubt I ever will. There is no way I will defend myself any more than I already have. The continued attacks upon me are no more that the metaphorical acts of beating a dead horse. Furthermore, any and all negative darts in my direction transform themselves into angels' kisses by the time they reach my person. I am indeed, a most lucky and blessed person...and I share God's attitude of unconditional love, by using my blessings to benefit all people, regardless of how they treat me. I'm above all that. I regard you as just another teacher to test my patience, strength, and humility. So thanks for being here. >This thread has gone on way too long. EK will not stop responding until we >stop goading him to respond. If we accept that he has a different take on >reality & let it go at that life will be a little bit easier for all >concerned. Up to a point, this is true. But you still, in a way, denigrate my take on reality, as if it were inferior to yours. You need to make further adjustments to your karmic fine-tuning. Things are gonna move very fast in this world, shortly. I hope you have your seat belt buckled...as for some, it's gonna be a very bumpy ride...and we know some people *do die on roller coasters. >But if we go on firing back at every single thing EK says, this thread will >continue ad infinitum. No it won't. It will continue for a time...during which time I will use as an opportunity to further my teachings. The it will come to a close. >I am really beginning to see Niki's point about all this. Well, at least *some of her points, though clearly not all. Not yet. You give a malicious twist to her compassionate analyses. --- Pennsylvania Dutch Gay Jesus says: "Throw the hetero over the fence some hay." --- The Final Testament, a Bible by and for Gays only: http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ I come like a thief in the night! --- Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: jmnorthw@gte.uce_is_icky.net (J. Northwood) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 15:16:18 GMT On Sat, 19 Sep 1998 08:25:18 GMT, ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) wrote: >On Fri, 18 Sep 1998 18:02:27 -0700, Frank Martinez Lester > wrote: >>He is a schizophrenic human living in his own dimension of reality. It is >>clear that this is so. >Oh, is it now? You haven't even met me in person...yet you insist on >diagnosing me...as a schizophrenic yet! I would hardly consider your >evaluation as anything even remotely professional or learned. Your >arrogance leaves a foul odor in the ether. Ah. So you were lying about that, too? ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 20:14:53 GMT On Sat, 19 Sep 1998 15:16:18 GMT, jmnorthw@gte.uce_is_icky.net (J. Northwood) wrote: >>I would hardly consider your evaluation as anything >>even remotely professional or learned. >So you were lying about that, too? I owe nothing to hypocrites, philanderers, and thieves of the soul...not even truth. Your guess is as good as another's. (Well, maybe not.) --- Let's secede from those who breed, Make it sin to *not waste seed! --- The Final Testament, a Bible by and for Gays only: http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ GodHatesBreeders@HetBeGone.com --- Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: jmnorthw@gte.uce_is_icky.net (J. Northwood) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 02:08:47 GMT On Sat, 19 Sep 1998 20:14:53 GMT, ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) wrote: >On Sat, 19 Sep 1998 15:16:18 GMT, jmnorthw@gte.uce_is_icky.net (J. >Northwood) wrote: >>So you were lying about that, too? >I owe nothing to hypocrites, philanderers, and thieves of the >soul...not even truth. Fine. But what about to those of us that fall into none of the listed categories? >Your guess is as good as another's. (Well, >maybe not.) And this assessment is based on . . . ? ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 18:28:49 GMT On Sun, 20 Sep 1998 02:08:47 GMT, jmnorthw@gte.uce_is_icky.net (J. Northwood) wrote: >Fine. But what about to those of us that fall into none of the listed >categories? They already understand where I'm coming from, and lend me support. >>Your guess is as good as another's. (Well, >>maybe not.) > >And this assessment is based on . . . ? Crash recovery. --- Let's secede from those who breed, Make it sin to *not waste seed! --- The Final Testament, a Bible by and for Gays only: http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ GodHatesBreeders@HetBeGone.com --- Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: jmnorthw@gte.uce_is_icky.net (J. Northwood) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 22:47:13 GMT On Sun, 20 Sep 1998 18:28:49 GMT, ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) wrote: >On Sun, 20 Sep 1998 02:08:47 GMT, jmnorthw@gte.uce_is_icky.net (J. >Northwood) wrote: >>Fine. But what about to those of us that fall into none of the listed >>categories? >They already understand where I'm coming from, and lend me support. Excuse me, lad, but I don't fall into those categories, and I don't lend you support. The question remains, then: What of those that fall into none of the listed categories? >>>Your guess is as good as another's. (Well, >>>maybe not.) >>And this assessment is based on . . . ? >Crash recovery. Cute. Trite, but cute. ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 08:53:31 GMT On Sun, 20 Sep 1998 22:47:13 GMT, jmnorthw@gte.uce_is_icky.net (J. Northwood) wrote: >>They already understand where I'm coming from, and lend me support. > >Excuse me, lad, but I don't fall into those categories, and I don't >lend you support. Then you continue to wander in limbo, as usual. >>>And this assessment is based on . . . ? > >>Crash recovery. > >Cute. > >Trite, but cute. It's a trite world. But cute. --- Let's secede from those who breed, Make it sin to *not waste seed! --- The Final Testament, a Bible by and for Gays only: http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ GodHatesBreeders@HetBeGone.com --- Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: Frank Martinez Lester Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 09:08:21 -0700 [[You haven't even met me in person...yet you insist on diagnosing me...as a schizophrenic yet! I would hardly consider your evaluation as anything even remotely professional or learned. Your arrogance leaves a foul odor in the ether.>> I have not diagnosed you. I am only using references you made yourself in prior posts to your own mental state. That is all. You yourself have used the word schizophrenia in reference to your state. Or has that self- assessment changed now, as everything you say seems to change & contradict itself from hour to hour? I have not diagnosed you. To insinuate that I have done so is a complete lie. But then, what else would we expect from Mr Krahlin, who is capable of transforming even a supportive message into a catalog of hatred, persecution, & ill will? [[Furthermore, any and all negative darts in my direction transform themselves into angels' kisses by the time they reach my person. I am indeed, a most lucky and blessed person...and I share God's attitude of unconditional love, by using my blessings to benefit all people, regardless of how they treat me. I'm above all that.>> You're "above all that." You're above anger, you're above hatred, you're above petty human emotion. I'm so happy for you. Hallelujah, praise the Lord. [[Up to a point, this is true. But you still, in a way, denigrate my take on reality, as if it were inferior to yours. >> I do not. You may interpret my take on reality however you choose. However, I did not mean it as an insult. But you choose to read everything that does not match your messianic take on things as an insult. I merely said that I refuse to join you in your take on reality. I did not say your take on reality was "inferior." [[I hope you have your seat belt buckled...as for some, it's gonna be a very bumpy ride...and we know some people *do die on roller coasters.>> Yeah, whatever. We're still waiting for your rapture to manifest. Hasn't happened yet. Can we say "skeptical"? Go attack somebody else, EK. I'm above all that. ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: look@my.sig4address (Magenta) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 22:50:06 GMT In [[36036a04.11768367@nntp.sj.bigger.net>> ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) doth speak: >On Fri, 18 Sep 1998 18:02:27 -0700, Frank Martinez Lester > wrote: > >>We all keep responding to EK as though he is a rational creature. > >And well they should! To do otherwise is to sin. > >>EK is not a rational creature. > >Sin away, lost soul! > >>He has some rational things to say sometimes, but other than that, he has >>his own version of reality. > >Like, Du-uhh! > >>He is a schizophrenic human living in his own dimension of reality. It is >>clear that this is so. > >Oh, is it now? You haven't even met me in person...yet you insist on >diagnosing me...as a schizophrenic yet! Because it is obvious. You are an extreme example of a schizophrenic- paranoia, delusions of grandeur, and fantasy worlds. You are a textbook case that anyone who has taken a Psych 101 class can plainly see. To top it off, you even admitted schizophrenia is your mystery disability, so why deny it now? > I would hardly consider your >evaluation as anything even remotely professional or learned. Your >arrogance leaves a foul odor in the ether. Like I said, you don't have to be an astronomer to recognize the moon. Hey, he guessed right, so that odor is the smell of truth. >Untrue. All attacks upon me are nothing new. They are the same old >variations of several attacks I have dealt with throughout my life. I >have yet to be attacked from any new angle, for over 30 years...and >seriously doubt I ever will. There is no way I will defend myself any >more than I already have. The continued attacks upon me are no more >that the metaphorical acts of beating a dead horse. Then stop throwing dead horses at people. >Furthermore, any and all negative darts in my direction transform >themselves into angels' kisses by the time they reach my person. I am >indeed, a most lucky and blessed person...and I share God's attitude >of unconditional love, by using my blessings to benefit all people, >regardless of how they treat me. I'm above all that. I regard you as >just another teacher to test my patience, strength, and humility. So >thanks for being here. Pure crap Zekey. You insulted me and everyone else here in extremely vivid and obscene detail before any of us uttered a single unkind word. Like I said Zekey, take your medication. See a REAL doctor. -- +----- Peace & Love, ----+------- Magenta77 (at) AOL (dot) com ------+ | /| /| _ _ _ _-|-_ |"There are more things in heaven and earth,| | / |/ |(_|(_|(/_| )|(_| |...Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." | |_________ _/ __________|_________________--[Hamlet Act I: Scene V]_| ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 08:53:40 GMT On Sun, 20 Sep 1998 22:50:06 GMT, look@my.sig4address (Magenta) wrote: >Because it is obvious. You are an extreme example of a schizophrenic- >paranoia, delusions of grandeur, and fantasy worlds. You are a >textbook case that anyone who has taken a Psych 101 class can plainly >see. I beg to differ. I am a genius...walking the fine line between insanity and sanity...the artist's tightrope. Schizophrenia may be one of the forms of mental problems I dabble with...but I assure you: if this is so, then I also dabble in numerous other forms...including magentapsycholomania among them. And what is my canvas of choice? Reality. You're part of my latest collage...which I call "Thread Demons Unravelling". >To top it off, you even admitted schizophrenia is your mystery >disability, so why deny it now? Admission and remission. Transmission and premonition. Ignition, superstition and transition. Magentapissin'. >Like I said, you don't have to be an astronomer to recognize the moon. How would you know? You're not an astronomer. >Hey, he guessed right, so that odor is the smell of truth. Looks like it. Smells like it. Tastes like it. Sure glad I didn't step on it! >Then stop throwing dead horses at people. Hey, I throw a mean dead horse. Besides, I'm rehearsing for the equestrian-hurling competition in the next Olympics. >Pure crap Zekey. You insulted me and everyone else here in extremely >vivid and obscene detail before any of us uttered a single unkind >word. You won't find one obscene remark I have made to anyone in this thread, or in any others. But this isn't the first time you have lied outrightly. If you are telling the truth, then it would be a simple thing for you to back up your accusation with at least one or two quotes. >Like I said Zekey, take your medication. See a REAL doctor. You're a bimbo, plain and simple. I tried to change that, but it's beyond my realm. You know, I have been suffering a serious manic attack, as a result of all the ugly prejudices hurled my way...so mania is my own protective reaction to this (fantasies of being godlike, etc.)...and then I'll likely crash into a difficult nervous breakdown. Those responsible--who *know I have a mental disability, yet persist with their hateful slurs to me--have already been brought to my psychiatrist's attention. I have saved all relevant threads...for the possible time I decide to sue for slander, and the consequent emotional damage caused by prolonged attacks upon me, by a number of nasty souls in this newsgroup. I could use the money anyway...to distribute to lesbian and gay homeless and otherwise poor. --- Let's secede from those who breed, Make it sin to *not waste seed! --- The Final Testament, a Bible by and for Gays only: http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ GodHatesBreeders@HetBeGone.com --- Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 08:25:15 GMT On Sat, 19 Sep 1998 00:14:33 GMT, jmnorthw@gte.uce_is_icky.net (J. Northwood) wrote: >good you are when all you've evinced so far is the same sort of >megalomania and blanket hatred that writhes around most practitioners >of the left-hand path? Where's this left-hand shit coming from? Indeed, I am left handed. Are you superstitious about this matter? Considering how well acquainted you claim to be with shamans, I can only feel ashamed for the mote in your eye, regarding my own self. There must be something grossly absent in your learnings...or perhaps the new medium of the Internet is something which obstructs your usual ability to discern. I have been visited by numerous shamans over the years...pressing me forward, urging me to continue my good ways...even before I realized my own destiny, and own shaman-hood...and not knowing, except with hindsight, these were shamans. They just seem to come out of nowhere, then go back! When I lived in Missouri, I was tailed by two brothers from a modern Catholic sect...who seemed to know things about me that I didn't. Now, I understand. I have had certain native Amerikan shamans approach me, with full knowledge about my personal life, which astounded me. They gave me further guidance. I have been known, guided, and protected all my life...mostly by shamans whom I have yet to meet. I am sure several live in my building, or at least in my neighborhood...watching over me without my knowledge. However, my knowledge is rapidly growing keen...and very soon, nothing will be able to hide itself from me. I am the creation of numerous existing shamans...and held as a common secret among the inner circle of shamans, until time comes for my spirit to reveal itself to the world at large. This time has arrived. --- Pennsylvania Dutch Gay Jesus says: "Throw the hetero over the fence some hay." --- The Final Testament, a Bible by and for Gays only: http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ I come like a thief in the night! --- Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: Nicole Lasher Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 14:43:12 +0200 Ezekiel Krahlin wrote: > On Sat, 19 Sep 1998 00:14:33 GMT, jmnorthw@gte.uce_is_icky.net (J. > Northwood) wrote: > > >good you are when all you've evinced so far is the same sort of > >megalomania and blanket hatred that writhes around most practitioners > >of the left-hand path? > > Where's this left-hand shit coming from? Indeed, I am left handed. Are > you superstitious about this matter? Heheh...I don't think J meant left-hand like you...I think he meant left-hand like me. (I'm right-handed physically.) ~Niki ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: jmnorthw@gte.uce_is_icky.net (J. Northwood) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 15:19:37 GMT On Sat, 19 Sep 1998 14:43:12 +0200, Nicole Lasher wrote: >Heheh...I don't think J meant left-hand like you...I think he meant >left-hand like me. (I'm right-handed physically.) Actually, Nicole, whatever our differences, I've not thought you to walk that path. ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: Nicole Lasher Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 21:44:19 +0200 J. Northwood wrote: > On Sat, 19 Sep 1998 14:43:12 +0200, Nicole Lasher > wrote: > > >Heheh...I don't think J meant left-hand like you...I think he meant > >left-hand like me. (I'm right-handed physically.) > > Actually, Nicole, whatever our differences, I've not thought you to > walk that path. I do...I just don't walk the same as most of the cat-murdering Mansonites that have polluted the old way in the past 30 years. I don't set out to be purposefully destructive. I do, however, consider survival to be the highest law...not just for me, but for the Earth and all creatures in it. I recognize mankind as primate, and subject to the same "karma" and natural law as the rest of our category. I believe that the further we get away from that, the worse off we will be...but I don't expect, or really want everyone to believe as I do. My sense of logic is "tainted" by my perspective and interpretations of my own experiences, and the experiences of others around me. At times, this is a good thing. At times it is a bad thing...but it is my thing. The "my" and "I" is what puts me in the category of "left" because to the "white-light" disciplines and philosophies, there is nothing other than "right" but "left". If one does not seek selflessness, then one is not considered "right". ~Niki ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: jmnorthw@gte.uce_is_icky.net (J. Northwood) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 02:06:53 GMT On Sat, 19 Sep 1998 21:44:19 +0200, Nicole Lasher wrote: >J. Northwood wrote: >> On Sat, 19 Sep 1998 14:43:12 +0200, Nicole Lasher >> wrote: >> >Heheh...I don't think J meant left-hand like you...I think he meant >> >left-hand like me. (I'm right-handed physically.) >> Actually, Nicole, whatever our differences, I've not thought you to >> walk that path. >I do...I just don't walk the same as most of the cat-murdering >Mansonites that have polluted the old way in the past 30 years. < snicker > I like that . . . "cat-murdering Mansonites" . . . I _like_ it! >I don't >set out to be purposefully destructive. >I do, however, consider survival to be the highest law...not just for >me, but for the Earth and all creatures in it. Absolutely. >I recognize mankind as primate, and subject to the same "karma" and >natural law as the rest of our category. I believe that the further we >get away from that, the worse off we will be...but I don't expect, or >really want everyone to believe as I do. Actually, I'm quite pleasantly surprised. We _do_ agree, here. >My sense of logic is "tainted" by my perspective and interpretations of >my own experiences, and the experiences of others around me. At times, >this is a good thing. At times it is a bad thing...but it is my thing. Fair enough. Each person must face their conscience, and/or their deity, to the best of their ability. >The "my" and "I" is what puts me in the category of "left" because to >the "white-light" disciplines and philosophies, there is nothing other >than "right" but "left". Oh, pish and tosh. Don't get me wrong -- the majority of pagans, neopagans &cet. don't bother me; however, while the true flibbertigibbets, fluffybunnypeople and crystalhuggers have some good ideas, the majority of pathworkers with whom I deal have a far more pragmatic view of life energy and power. >If one does not seek selflessness, then one is not considered "right". < snort > By that token, my soul is black as pitch. For me, it's more a matter of ensuring that you don't build yourself up exclusively through the tearing down of others. That's part of why I belong to the organizations that I do, that's part of why I walk the path I do. Heck, that's why I worship who I do. < shrug > To each their own, but for me, if I'm walking in dimmer than white light, at least it's in a primordial forest . . . ~ Jon ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 18:28:57 GMT On Sat, 19 Sep 1998 21:44:19 +0200, Nicole Lasher wrote: >I do...I just don't walk the same as most of the cat-murdering >Mansonites that have polluted the old way in the past 30 years. I'll take this opportunity to give my viewpoint regarding "Satanism". This belief comes in two forms, much like Christianity: diabolical or liberating. Satanism, as an expression against Christian and other conformist oppression...is a personal liberation that comes from the heart, and is a compassionate way to celebrate the universe. Satanism, as a form of malicious intent, cannibalism, and other forms of human degradation...I do not respect. It is this form of Satanism, which mirrors the vile forms of Christianity as are practiced by the religious reich. As I said in other messages: I respect all world views, including atheism and of course non-Christian religions (including Satanism). The only belief systems I do not respect, are those that intentionally practice malicious deeds...and most world views contain one or more sub-cults of evil (including atheism, as well as Christianity and Satanism). Why, I still consider myself a Christian, even though I write tales of raping angels, and Our Creator pedophiling his darling cherubs. I believe that Lucifer is God's only son, who also incarnated as Jesus, among many others. I also believe that the Father and Son are lovers...including in the sexual meaning. Perhaps I'm more of a liberated Satanist...but if so, I'd say they live truer to Christ's words than most KKKristians. --- Let's secede from those who breed, Make it sin to *not waste seed! --- The Final Testament, a Bible by and for Gays only: http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ GodHatesBreeders@HetBeGone.com --- Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: "DRS" Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 05:24:05 +1000 Ezekiel Krahlin wrote in message <3604b018.7041766@nntp.sj.bigger.net>... [...] :As I said in other messages: I respect all world views, including :atheism and of course non-Christian religions (including Satanism). :The only belief systems I do not respect, are those that intentionally :practice malicious deeds...and most world views contain one or more :sub-cults of evil (including atheism, as well as Christianity and :Satanism). Talking of atheism as a 'sub-cult of evil' just lost you whatever shreds of tolerance for your incredulous imbecility I had. Go fuck yourself. -- Beware of the Spam-Dog ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: ttowne@spamsucks.com (Fenris) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 13:10:27 -0700 In article <6u3khg$bo$1@toto.tig.com.au>, "DRS" wrote: > Talking of atheism as a 'sub-cult of evil' just lost you whatever shreds of > tolerance for your incredulous imbecility I had. Go fuck yourself. Yup, killfile time. -- To e-mail me replace "spamsucks" with "azstarnet.com" ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: wstewart@hi.net (Ward Stewart) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 00:03:44 GMT On Mon, 21 Sep 1998 05:24:05 +1000, "DRS" wrote: >Ezekiel Krahlin wrote in message <3604b018.7041766@nntp.sj.bigger.net>... > >[...] > >:As I said in other messages: I respect all world views, including >:atheism and of course non-Christian religions (including Satanism). >:The only belief systems I do not respect, are those that intentionally >:practice malicious deeds...and most world views contain one or more >:sub-cults of evil (including atheism, as well as Christianity and >:Satanism). > > >Talking of atheism as a 'sub-cult of evil' just lost you whatever shreds of >tolerance for your incredulous imbecility I had. Go fuck yourself. I trust that you are aware that you have just forfeited your passport to Glorious Gaydonia -- ward ------------------------------------------------------ "You people are helping us do that, by proving that discrimination against homosexuals does, in fact, happen. It is ubiquitous and endemic, and you bigots have as many excuses for it, as eskimos have words for snow. -Bruce Garrett ------------------------------------------------------ ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 08:53:49 GMT On Mon, 21 Sep 1998 00:03:44 GMT, wstewart@hi.net (Ward Stewart) wrote: >I trust that you are aware that you have just forfeited your passport >to Glorious Gaydonia -- I would have no desire to live in, or visit, any nation that would call itself "Gaydonia"...as its own name implies the citizens therein have a degrading perspective about themselves. I get enough of *that attitude right here in gay mecca "castro"...as well as in this newsgroup. --- Let's secede from those who breed, Make it sin to *not waste seed! --- The Final Testament, a Bible by and for Gays only: http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ GodHatesBreeders@HetBeGone.com --- Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 08:53:42 GMT On Mon, 21 Sep 1998 05:24:05 +1000, "DRS" wrote: >Talking of atheism as a 'sub-cult of evil' just lost you whatever shreds of >tolerance for your incredulous imbecility I had. Go fuck yourself. That is a total misreading of what I said. But you don't care, you'll twist things for your own malicious purposes. I don't have time for stupid people. --- Let's secede from those who breed, Make it sin to *not waste seed! --- The Final Testament, a Bible by and for Gays only: http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ GodHatesBreeders@HetBeGone.com --- Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 20:14:58 GMT On Sat, 19 Sep 1998 14:43:12 +0200, Nicole Lasher wrote: >Heheh...I don't think J meant left-hand like you...I think he meant >left-hand like me. (I'm right-handed physically.) Two left hands are better than one! http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/extra/2left.htm --- Let's secede from those who breed, Make it sin to *not waste seed! --- The Final Testament, a Bible by and for Gays only: http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ GodHatesBreeders@HetBeGone.com --- Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: scruffythecat@geocities.com (Scruffy van Piebles) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 13:03:18 GMT On Sat, 19 Sep 1998 00:14:33 GMT, jmnorthw@gte.uce_is_icky.net (J. Northwood) wrote: >[...] >anthro instructors was a shaman-in-training under one of chief shaman >of the Quiché Maya in Mexico, I'd say I have a fairly solid idea of >shamanism and what a shaman is. > Quiche Maya? Is that using nacho cheese instead of Swiss? Scruffy ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: jmnorthw@gte.uce_is_icky.net (J. Northwood) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 15:18:43 GMT On Sat, 19 Sep 1998 13:03:18 GMT, scruffythecat@geocities.com (Scruffy van Piebles) wrote: >Quiche Maya? Is that using nacho cheese instead of Swiss? LOL! Ummmm, yeah, that's it. That's the ticket! ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 20:14:59 GMT On Sat, 19 Sep 1998 13:03:18 GMT, scruffythecat@geocities.com (Scruffy van Piebles) wrote: >>anthro instructors was a shaman-in-training under one of chief shaman >>of the Quiché Maya in Mexico, I'd say I have a fairly solid idea of >>shamanism and what a shaman is. >> > >Quiche Maya? Is that using nacho cheese instead of Swiss? As it so happens, I studied anthropology at the Univ. of Missouri in Columbia (1968-1970)...under one of the best advisors in the field, of the Plains Indians: Dr. Richard Erhard Krause (half Sioux). I specialized in the pre-Colombian cultures, with a focus on the Maya. Though, under the guidance of Dr. Krause, I was permitted to go on digs for one summer...the only undergraduate so permitted. I was the site photographer of both the New Madrid Mound, and a dig in the vicinity of Mobridge, South Dakota (near the Indian village of Wakpala). The New Madrid Mound turned out to be an incredible find: larger than even the mound in Illinois...thus, the largest Indian mound north of Tenochtitlan. I was a double major, Spanish being the other. Again, I had a fine advisor, Dr. Margaret Peden, an expert on Latin American culture, especially theater and literature. She is married to a famous writer, Dr. William Peden, who personally invited me into his writing class. I have many fond memories of these good people. They were very kind to me...as they were to any young person with a thirst for knowledge. I was to receive a fellowship to attend graduate school at Chile University in Santiago, as well as go on a dig somewhere in the Tierra del Fuego...where I'd also be doing ethnographic research on the people of that area. As it turned out, I lost all chance for this great opportunity, because our government had gotten embroiled with the new President Allende, who was eventually assassinated. Our government did not approve of his democratic ideas, thus severed all University collaborations with Chile. --- Let's secede from those who breed, Make it sin to *not waste seed! --- The Final Testament, a Bible by and for Gays only: http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ GodHatesBreeders@HetBeGone.com --- Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: Frank Martinez Lester Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 21:11:20 -0700 [[Jung has been discarded by virtually all of the psychiatric establishment as being irrelevant, useless, in the world of reality.>> Yet another reason to love the "psychiatric establishment." ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:10:18 GMT On Thu, 17 Sep 1998 21:11:20 -0700, Frank Martinez Lester wrote: >[[Jung has been discarded by virtually all of the psychiatric >establishment as being irrelevant, useless, in the world of reality.>> > >Yet another reason to love the "psychiatric establishment." Indeed! His teachings have been usurped by the affluent elite...thus his most effective methods, which could help empower the poor and disenfranchised, are not accessible to these people, who need his wisdom the most. --- Pennsylvania Dutch Gay Jesus says: "Throw the hetero over the fence some hay." --- The Final Testament, a Bible by and for Gays only: http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ I come like a thief in the night! --- Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: Jeffrey Croft Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 17:59:13 -0700 > It has been my initiation into shaman-hood, to be not believed, to be > ridiculed. And it has been my challenge to speak for myself, in order > to learn to believe in myself even more. I am learning > self-confidence, to not let other people's words sway me in any way. > It takes guts to do this...as I open myself up to ridicule. You sound a bit masochistic sometimes, almost as if you like being ridiculed. It has been my experience that if you close yourself to the words of others, you significantly narrow your view of the world. No one person can come up with all the good ideas, even with close ties to the spiritual. There simply isn't enough time in one lifetime. Many Christians would say the same thing you did, BTW. Something like, "I know it's true and nothing anybody says or does can alter my perception" is not the mark of a spiritual master but of someone who is stuck in fear. > Your understanding of "shaman" is a definition that may apply to some, > but not all. A shaman is anyone with special gifts to transform people > or reality...whether healing, inspiring, or revolutionary. Some > shamans, because of their particular gifts, have no choice but to > experience ridicule and disbelief as part of their path. Hmmm. I didn't actually ever offer a definition so I don't know how you could apply it. I really like the one you gave: healing, divination, and transforming reality. > As for accepting money: it is not a cool idea, though it can be done. > So I only accept funds to help support my activities as a supporter of > gay rights. In my case, my powers will become so strong, that I will > quickly (and soon) surpass the need of any money. I'll be able to go > where I want, when I want...ride a jet, or train, eat at any > restaurant, welcome in any home. I won't need any ID, not even a > passport. If you're into ascetism, maybe taking money isn't a cool idea. I don't think accepting money for healing people will keep someone on a lower level as you say. I'll say it again: some of the most effective healers I have ever met take money for their services. BTW, I would think actively supporting gay rights would fall under the definition of shamanism that you gave: transforming reality. Therefore if taking money for such work isn't cool, you won't take it. Everybody needs to eat and last time I checked, Cala wouldn't let me take groceries without giving them money. Shamanism is not the same as the "Bewitched" television show's conception of magic where you wiggle your nose and suddenly a turkey dinner appears. As for being welcome in any home, I doubt that will happen, at least not at the current evoutionary state of the world. It is not possible (nor even necessarily desirable) for everyone to like or welcome a given individual. > I'm afraid those shamans/healers/psychics, etc. who *do seem to be > honest and effective, and who *do accept money...have placed > themselves on a particular level, and are satisfied in that. However, > as long as they earn a living directly through these gifts, they will > remain stuck on that level, and not evolve. The idea of not accepting > payment for healing, is a test to the healer, to see if he or she > cares enough to forego certain luxuries and temptations (which are of > the ego, and not the soul). I strongly disagree. The way to test a healer is to see if the healer can heal. Nothing more. Money is irrelevant, although one would expect that true healers would be compassionate to people who have little or none. > I may give the impression that I am surrounded by guardians, gurus, > and followers...but not, I am pretty much alone. I feel, though, like > I'm surrounded by friends...as I sense the angels' presence and > guidance. They tell me my role soon to be enjoyed before the world. No > one in the physical realm is advising me, or telling me the things I > have just said. It is more of a natural "knowing" that asserts itself > within my spirit. Not to worry, you didn't give the impression to me that you are surrounded by gurus and followers. I certainly trust my inner guides more than I would trust anyone in the "physical realm." However, some of the best advice my inner guides have given me came in the form of words of really with-it friends. :) Jeff jdcroft@*nospam*.best.com ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: Bill Lindemann Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 00:13:14 +0000 Jeffrey Croft wrote: > > Your understanding of "shaman" is a definition that may apply to some, > > but not all. A shaman is anyone with special gifts to transform people > > or reality...whether healing, inspiring, or revolutionary. Some > > shamans, because of their particular gifts, have no choice but to > > experience ridicule and disbelief as part of their path. > > Hmmm. I didn't actually ever offer a definition so I don't know how you could > apply it. I really like the one you gave: healing, divination, and > transforming reality. In the realm of the mind, and of the spirit, there is not the direct correlation of cause and effect found in physical science, so I am quite willing to accept that a great variety of techniques, whether approved by the orthodox medical establishment or not, may in fact further a person's mental healing or spiritual progress. I remain, however, an opponent of meaningless mumbo-jumbo, a category in which the over-general term "transforming reality" falls. You make it sound like it is always necessarily a good thing. Consider that the German SS transformed the reality of millions of Jews from that of functional (if marginalized) member of the community to that of "hunted animal". This was a real transformation for the victims of Nazism, and not at all a good one. -Bill ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: Jeffrey Croft Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:56:42 -0700 Bill Lindemann wrote: > In the realm of the mind, and of the spirit, there is not the direct > correlation of cause and effect found in physical science, so I am > quite willing to accept that a great variety of techniques, whether > approved by the orthodox medical establishment or not, may in > fact further a person's mental healing or spiritual progress. True. Lots of stuff of the mind and spirit is pretty subtle. > I remain, however, an opponent of meaningless mumbo-jumbo, > a category in which the over-general term "transforming reality" > falls. You make it sound like it is always necessarily a good thing. > Consider that the German SS transformed the reality of millions > of Jews from that of functional (if marginalized) member of the > community to that of "hunted animal". This was a real transformation > for the victims of Nazism, and not at all a good one. You're right. It's too general. Perhaps we could say, "transforming reality in a positive way." Maybe that's still too general. Jeff jdcroft@*nospam*.best.com ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:31:42 GMT On Tue, 15 Sep 1998 17:59:13 -0700, Jeffrey Croft wrote: >You sound a bit masochistic sometimes, almost as if you like being ridiculed. Not at all. I have learned pretty much to let all negative energies roll off me like water off a duck's back. My spirit guides always enjoy placing me in embarrassing and awkward situations...just to enjoy watching me spring back like a flower from a dung heap. Since I caught on to their game in the last year or so, I enjoy tossing myself into uncomfortable situations, before my spirits even do...just to enjoy seeing how I come up smelling like a rose once more! It's like learning to sky dive. >It has been my experience that if you close yourself to the words of others, >you significantly narrow your view of the world. No one person can come up >with all the good ideas, even with close ties to the spiritual. There simply >isn't enough time in one lifetime. I fully agree...and that is why I remain open and vulnerable to all viewpoints. >Many Christians would say the same thing you did, BTW. Something like, "I >know it's true and nothing anybody says or does can alter my perception" is >not the mark of a spiritual master but of someone who is stuck in fear. Hmmm. Also, when someone experiences something extraordinary, they may refuse to let people convince them it was only their imagination. And if they're lucky, someone else may witness the same thing, thus give credence to one who was for a time considered delusioned. Furthermore: be assured I am not stuck in any fears. >Hmmm. I didn't actually ever offer a definition so I don't know how you could >apply it. Your perception of a shaman was easily reflected by your statements. >If you're into ascetism, maybe taking money isn't a cool idea. I am very much the ascetic. >I don't think accepting money for healing people will keep someone on a >lower level as you say. It is often a great corrupter...but an extraordinary person can certainly accept money without damaging his healing powers. One must remain extremely cautious in this matter, however. >I'll say it again: some of the most effective healers I have ever met >take money for their services. Such as? >BTW, I would think actively supporting gay >rights would fall under the definition of shamanism that you gave: >transforming reality. Therefore if taking money for such work isn't cool, you >won't take it. But my gay activism is of a mundane nature. What spiritual gifts come with it, I can't help, because they are automatic. I cannot separate my soul from my body, no matter what I do. People around me are just healed by my presence. Good works need not have the spiritual dimension added to them...thus, I'll accept money only for my mundane activism, and not for my spiritual gifts. I will use the money to pay for whatever materials I need to continue my activism, such as: camera film, computer maintenance, mailing costs, distributing money to homeless gays, etc. I will not accept money for my healing abilities...as they are bound to grow stronger, rapidly at this point. >Everybody needs to eat and last time I checked, Cala wouldn't let me take >groceries without giving them money. Listen, what I said about money corrupting is no less true than it ever was. People gifted spiritually, are usually put onto a path of suffering and poverty, at least for a while, to develop their inner talents. To turn these gifts into a money machine can only do harm, and ruin these talents. I still hold forth that the majority of true healers do not get rich off their gifts. >Shamanism is not the same as the >"Bewitched" television show's conception of magic where you wiggle your nose >and suddenly a turkey dinner appears. I didn't really need to be informed that you don't think shamanism is comparable to "Bewitched". I never thought you did, in the first place. >As for being welcome in any home, I doubt that will happen, at least not at >the current evoutionary state of the world. It is not possible (nor even >necessarily desirable) for everyone to like or welcome a given individual. This is indeed another of my extraordinary claims. I am willing to appear as a fool for such statements, in order to keep my heart on the altar of faith. I do not expect most people to believe me at this point. >I strongly disagree. The way to test a healer is to see if the healer can >heal. Nothing more. And what about a healer who goes around healing, without letting anyone know that's what he does? Their lives just get better some years down the line, and they don't put two and two together. I am not a shingle-hanging healer, I am by my own nature of even existing, a healing force. The time has come in my personal evolution, to announce this, for I am soon to play a more significant role than previously. And this is because so are many other people. >Money is irrelevant, although one would expect that true >healers would be compassionate to people who have little or none. Indeed, money is irrelevant to me. This is why I am much more comfortable collecting a scant stipend, so I can be free to evolve in the way most appropriate for my own being. >Not to worry, you didn't give the impression to me that you are surrounded by >gurus and followers. What I mean is: when I say certain instuctions have been given me...most would assume I have some sort of teacher or guide present. I don't, except in the spirit realm. I receive thoughts and images, that are inspiring and dramatic. >I certainly trust my inner guides more than I would trust anyone in the >"physical realm." However, some of the best advice my inner guides have given >me came in the form of words of really with-it friends. :) I do not presently have any "really with-it friends"...as my good friends have since moved away and/or died. My path of relative loneliness has gone on for eight years now, and is soon to end (according to my spirit guides). I was meant to experience social isolation, in order to develop my inner powers further. Not that I haven't met very nice people who could have made great friendship...it's just that they moved on in a year or so, so I had to start from scratch once more. But recently, my associations with homeless people--particularly in Berkely, as well as with some who hang out in my favorite coffee house...are becoming extraordinarily rich in good conversation, and hearfelt camaraderie. It's wonderful! And my abilities as a healer have shifted right into high gear, and is working most effectively while I remain unknown as a healer. This will not last much longer, as my spirits say I will begin to radiate my healing powers, to the point of obviousness and visibility. I think every gay person should get to San Francisco by hook or by crook, within a month from now at the latest...even if it means going homeless or broke. Some remarkable adventures are about to unfold here...and apparantly (to me) I play one of the lead roles. My spirits also tell me that many who presently mock or disbelieve my claims, will awaken to new knowledge that will suddenly turn them into my bravest allies. I know: yet *more extraordinary claims. So go ahead and disbelieve me...in fact, it would be foolish to do so at this time. Just because I *know some things that others don't, is no reason for me to look down on them. That would be hubris. But at the same time, you'll never find me guilty of false humility...yet another form of hubris in its own way. --- Pennsylvania Dutch Gay Jesus says: "Throw the hetero over the fence some hay." --- The Final Testament, a Bible by and for Gays only: http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ I come like a thief in the night! --- Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: Jeffrey Croft Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:44:07 -0700 Ezekiel Krahlin wrote: > >You sound a bit masochistic sometimes, almost as if you like being ridiculed. > > Not at all. I have learned pretty much to let all negative energies > roll off me like water off a duck's back. My spirit guides always > enjoy placing me in embarrassing and awkward situations...just to > enjoy watching me spring back like a flower from a dung heap. Since I > caught on to their game in the last year or so, I enjoy tossing myself > into uncomfortable situations, before my spirits even do...just to > enjoy seeing how I come up smelling like a rose once more! It's like > learning to sky dive. Hmmm. OK. Still sounds masochistic. > >It has been my experience that if you close yourself to the words of others, > >you significantly narrow your view of the world. No one person can come up > >with all the good ideas, even with close ties to the spiritual. There simply > >isn't enough time in one lifetime. > > I fully agree...and that is why I remain open and vulnerable to all > viewpoints. I don't think that's what you originally said in your message, but I'm glad to hear it. > >Hmmm. I didn't actually ever offer a definition so I don't know how you could > >apply it. > > Your perception of a shaman was easily reflected by your statements. If I were in a bad mood this morning, I might take that sort of statement as out-of-control, unwarranted arrogance on your part. Was that a subtle insult or your attempt to oversimplify what's going on in my head? > >If you're into ascetism, maybe taking money isn't a cool idea. > > I am very much the ascetic. Eeeewww. Good luck to you. In Webster's, it says the definition is "practicing strict self-denial as a measure of personal and especially spiritual discipline." In which ways do you practice strict self-denial? > >I don't think accepting money for healing people will keep someone on a > >lower level as you say. > > It is often a great corrupter...but an extraordinary person can > certainly accept money without damaging his healing powers. One must > remain extremely cautious in this matter, however. It *can* be a corrupter. You phrased it originally as an asbolute, though, and that's what I took issue with. > >I'll say it again: some of the most effective healers I have ever met > >take money for their services. > > Such as? If you'd like, I'll present you with a couple of names in private Email. There's no reason to post a list of that type to this forum. But my gay activism is of a mundane nature. What spiritual gifts come > with it, I can't help, because they are automatic. I cannot separate > my soul from my body, no matter what I do. People around me are just > healed by my presence. Good works need not have the spiritual > dimension added to them...thus, I'll accept money only for my mundane > activism, and not for my spiritual gifts. I will use the money to pay > for whatever materials I need to continue my activism, such as: > camera film, computer maintenance, mailing costs, distributing money > to homeless gays, etc. I will not accept money for my healing > abilities...as they are bound to grow stronger, rapidly at this point. I think it's a mistake to separate the spiritual from the mundane so completely. They are quite related. I believe we are here to evolve and that our experiences on the physical plane are closely tied to that. The physical is not the end of course, but we wouldn't be here if our perception had evolved beyond it. Therefore, it's still just as important as the stuff that goes on in your head. > >Everybody needs to eat and last time I checked, Cala wouldn't let me take > >groceries without giving them money. > > Listen, what I said about money corrupting is no less true than it > ever was. People gifted spiritually, are usually put onto a path of > suffering and poverty, at least for a while, to develop their inner > talents. To turn these gifts into a money machine can only do harm, > and ruin these talents. I still hold forth that the majority of true > healers do not get rich off their gifts. I would guess that just about everyone has had suffering in their lives. I don't completely reject what you're saying, I just don't think that poverty is a prerequisite to "spiritual gifts." > >Shamanism is not the same as the > >"Bewitched" television show's conception of magic where you wiggle your nose > >and suddenly a turkey dinner appears. > > I didn't really need to be informed that you don't think shamanism is > comparable to "Bewitched". I never thought you did, in the first > place. I know that. The point was that even shamans need to eat and in order to eat they need money, no matter how "spiritually gifted." >As for being welcome in any home, I doubt that will happen, at least not at > >the current evoutionary state of the world. It is not possible (nor even > >necessarily desirable) for everyone to like or welcome a given individual. > > This is indeed another of my extraordinary claims. I am willing to > appear as a fool for such statements, in order to keep my heart on the > altar of faith. I do not expect most people to believe me at this > point. OK. I'm certainly not going to stop you from appearing a fool if that's your choice. > >I strongly disagree. The way to test a healer is to see if the healer can > >heal. Nothing more. > > And what about a healer who goes around healing, without letting > anyone know that's what he does? Their lives just get better some > years down the line, and they don't put two and two together. I am not > a shingle-hanging healer, I am by my own nature of even existing, a > healing force. The time has come in my personal evolution, to announce > this, for I am soon to play a more significant role than previously. > And this is because so are many other people. Ezekiel, you *are* going around letting people know what you do. In fact, I daresay that by posting these messages to usenet, you are letting far more people know than the shingle-hanging healers you refer to. > >Not to worry, you didn't give the impression to me that you are surrounded by > >gurus and followers. > > What I mean is: when I say certain instuctions have been given > me...most would assume I have some sort of teacher or guide present. I > don't, except in the spirit realm. I receive thoughts and images, that > are inspiring and dramatic. And what I mean is: I don't think anyone in this forum has to assume how these things come to you. I think you've been quite clear about that. > Not that I haven't met very nice people who could have made great > friendship...it's just that they moved on in a year or so, so I had to > start from scratch once more. But recently, my associations with > homeless people--particularly in Berkely, as well as with some who > hang out in my favorite coffee house...are becoming extraordinarily > rich in good conversation, and hearfelt camaraderie. It's wonderful! > And my abilities as a healer have shifted right into high gear, and is > working most effectively while I remain unknown as a healer. This will > not last much longer, as my spirits say I will begin to radiate my > healing powers, to the point of obviousness and visibility. Sounds good. That's one of the reasons I like the Bay Area. Lots of nice people here. What's your favorite coffee shop? Maybe we'll bump into each other there sometime. I am a big fan of coffee. ;) Speaking of coffee shops, there is this new place on Hayes street that just opened that has absolutely gorgeous tea. I can't remember what it's called, but it's just west of Franklin and right next door to the gym. I forgot the name of the gym, too. Anyway, check it out! > I think every gay person should get to San Francisco by hook or by > crook, within a month from now at the latest...even if it means going > homeless or broke. Some remarkable adventures are about to unfold > here...and apparantly (to me) I play one of the lead roles. Well, I think it's a fabulous town, too, but if you follow the national and world gay news, you'll see that many wonderful things are happening for gay people all over the U.S. and all over the world. Apartments (and parking, for those with cars) are difficult enough to find without having *all* the gay people here! Jeff jdcroft@*nospam*.best.com ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 08:51:46 GMT On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:44:07 -0700, Jeffrey Croft wrote: >> enjoy seeing how I come up smelling like a rose once more! It's like >> learning to sky dive. > >Hmmm. OK. Still sounds masochistic. If you consider sky diving masochistic, then you have no argument here. >> Your perception of a shaman was easily reflected by your statements. > >If I were in a bad mood this morning, I might take that sort of statement as >out-of-control, unwarranted arrogance on your part. Was that a subtle insult or >your attempt to oversimplify what's going on in my head? Neither. >Eeeewww. Good luck to you. In Webster's, it says the definition is "practicing >strict self-denial as a measure of personal and especially spiritual discipline." >In which ways do you practice strict self-denial? I give up many amenities that a lot of people feel they can't do without...such as their own kitchen, bathroom. I have learned to enjoy the simple things in life, while most around me are soaking up all sorts of expensive distractions. I don't go to movies, theater, clubs, discos, etc. My only social pleasure that costs anything is hanging out in coffeehouses...plus divvying up some of my money to homeless people. I do not drive, nor have I ever owned a car. I eat simply, rarely eat out. I live without real friendship these days...as I do not seem to qualify with certain material requisites that most people require, before they'll befriend you, such as: a job, nice apartment, a car, money to blow on expensive nights out. There was once a time, where you could befriend good people, no matter how low-income you were. These are all sacrifices, and disciplines, that I know strengthen my spiritual gifts...and what rewards are due me, will be so plentiful anyway, that I can wait for things that many others could not. In the spirit world, I am dripping with riches and oozing with friends. I'm filthy stinkin' rich in spiritual gifts...which will eventually manifest in the real world. In fact, they have begun. I am making new friends left and right, in the streets and cafes. I barely have to lift a finger. The real fun has yet to begin! But it surely will within a week or two. >It *can* be a corrupter. You phrased it originally as an asbolute, though, and >that's what I took issue with. Considering how so few people can keep material wealth from corrupting them, I must maintain this value as absolute. >If you'd like, I'll present you with a couple of names in private Email. There's >no reason to post a list of that type to this forum. Just tell me what kind of healing they do...what their gifts are. I don't need to know them personally. Thanks. >I would guess that just about everyone has had suffering in their lives. I don't >completely reject what you're saying, I just don't think that poverty is a >prerequisite to "spiritual gifts." The most spiritual people in the world are homeless, in our nation. They are, for the most part, of angelic natures. In the underdeveloped nations, they are the degraded, starving, dying masses. No one could touch a candle to their greatness of heart, and the stature of their souls. We should honor them as God's own agents, invite them into our hearts and homes...feed and clothe them...end the dying and mysery. These are, for all practical purposes, God's angels testing the rest of us. >I know that. The point was that even shamans need to eat and in order to eat they >need money, no matter how "spiritually gifted." But that point is not at all with the topic of what path most shamans take...and it is one of poverty or at most, a life humble in material goods. >OK. I'm certainly not going to stop you from appearing a fool if that's your >choice. It's all in the eye of the beholder. There is no end of great heroes that appear as fools until vindicated. See "The Book of Job". >Ezekiel, you *are* going around letting people know what you do. In fact, I >daresay that by posting these messages to usenet, you are letting far more people >know than the shingle-hanging healers you refer to. It is my time to speak out. The homeless do not connect to the Internet, let alone Usenet. I am speaking in the realm of cyberspace, describing my spiritual gifts. In the material realm, I am not...except to a few. There is a big difference between these two realms, with little overlap. The time is coming for me to speak out *everywhere...but even if I don't, my gifts will become self-evident to all. >And what I mean is: I don't think anyone in this forum has to assume how these >things come to you. I think you've been quite clear about that. Ahhh, but you stated it in such a manner as to be factious, and that is not my original intent...so I had to clarify things with you on this point. >Sounds good. That's one of the reasons I like the Bay Area. Lots of nice people >here. What's your favorite coffee shop? Maybe we'll bump into each other there >sometime. I am a big fan of coffee. ;) Wall Berlin, in Berkeley. Most of my social life is in Berkeley; I go there every other day. In S.F., I work on my computer, art, and newsgroups. I am usually there every other evening, around 6pm to 8pm...always wearing a camouflage military cap with a little pink triangle pinned to its left side. >Speaking of coffee shops, there is this >new place on Hayes street that just opened that has absolutely gorgeous tea. >I can't remember what it's called, but it's just west of Franklin and right next >door to the gym. I forgot the name of the gym, too. Anyway, check it out! I will do that soon, thanks! >Well, I think it's a fabulous town, too, but if you follow the national and world >gay news, you'll see that many wonderful things are happening for gay people all >over the U.S. and all over the world. At this moment, S.F. is not so fantastic...I am saying, things will soon turn that way...and everyone will *wish they could be there for the action. --- Pennsylvania Dutch Gay Jesus says: "Throw the hetero over the fence some hay." --- The Final Testament, a Bible by and for Gays only: http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ I come like a thief in the night! --- Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: Jeffrey Croft Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:12:57 -0700 Ezekiel Krahlin wrote: > >Eeeewww. Good luck to you. In Webster's, it says the definition is "practicing > >strict self-denial as a measure of personal and especially spiritual discipline." > >In which ways do you practice strict self-denial? > > I give up many amenities that a lot of people feel they can't do > without...such as their own kitchen, bathroom. I have learned to enjoy > the simple things in life, while most around me are soaking up all > sorts of expensive distractions. I don't go to movies, theater, clubs, > discos, etc. My only social pleasure that costs anything is hanging > out in coffeehouses...plus divvying up some of my money to homeless > people. Ahhh, the 90s, when hanging out in coffee shops and riding public transportation is considered ascetic. > I do not drive, nor have I ever owned a car. I eat simply, rarely eat > out. I live without real friendship these days...as I do not seem to > qualify with certain material requisites that most people require, > before they'll befriend you, such as: a job, nice apartment, a car, > money to blow on expensive nights out. There was once a time, where > you could befriend good people, no matter how low-income you were. If I encounter someone who doesn't want to hang out with me because I don't have a car or whatever, I just move on. I have found *many* people just in SF who don't judge me based on the criteria you listed above. Maybe you're not looking hard enough or maybe you're putting people off in some other way. > These are all sacrifices, and disciplines, that I know strengthen my > spiritual gifts...and what rewards are due me, will be so plentiful > anyway, that I can wait for things that many others could not. In the > spirit world, I am dripping with riches and oozing with friends. I'm > filthy stinkin' rich in spiritual gifts...which will eventually > manifest in the real world. In fact, they have begun. I am making new > friends left and right, in the streets and cafes. I barely have to > lift a finger. The real fun has yet to begin! But it surely will > within a week or two. The lifestyle you describe yourself as having doesn't sound particularly ascetic to me. Maybe it's just because I'm used to being a "starving student." :) > >I would guess that just about everyone has had suffering in their lives. I don't > >completely reject what you're saying, I just don't think that poverty is a > >prerequisite to "spiritual gifts." > > The most spiritual people in the world are homeless, in our nation. > They are, for the most part, of angelic natures. In the underdeveloped > nations, they are the degraded, starving, dying masses. No one could > touch a candle to their greatness of heart, and the stature of their > souls. We should honor them as God's own agents, invite them into our > hearts and homes...feed and clothe them...end the dying and mysery. > These are, for all practical purposes, God's angels testing the rest > of us. I wouldn't be surprised to find angelic people among the homeless. I think it's a bit much to say that they are angelic for the most part. Oh, no, it's another incarnation of God testing us mere mortals. That whole argument gets really, really tired. The homeless are no more God's agents than I am. They are no less God's agents than I am. Again, poverty is not a prerequisite for success in the spiritual. > >Ezekiel, you *are* going around letting people know what you do. In fact, I > >daresay that by posting these messages to usenet, you are letting far more people > >know than the shingle-hanging healers you refer to. > > It is my time to speak out. The homeless do not connect to the > Internet, let alone Usenet. I am speaking in the realm of cyberspace, > describing my spiritual gifts. In the material realm, I am > not...except to a few. There is a big difference between these two > realms, with little overlap. The time is coming for me to speak out > *everywhere...but even if I don't, my gifts will become self-evident > to all. WITH LITTLE OVERLAP??? Who the hell do you think reads all this drivel that we regularly spew forth? A whole bunch of people in the "material realm." What do you think you're doing, communing with the computers themselves? > >Sounds good. That's one of the reasons I like the Bay Area. Lots of nice people > >here. What's your favorite coffee shop? Maybe we'll bump into each other there > >sometime. I am a big fan of coffee. ;) > > Wall Berlin, in Berkeley. Most of my social life is in Berkeley; I go > there every other day. In S.F., I work on my computer, art, and > newsgroups. I am usually there every other evening, around 6pm to > 8pm...always wearing a camouflage military cap with a little pink > triangle pinned to its left side. Oh, well, I guess I probably won't accidentally bump into you. I rarely go to Berkeley. > >Speaking of coffee shops, there is this > >new place on Hayes street that just opened that has absolutely gorgeous tea. > >I can't remember what it's called, but it's just west of Franklin and right next > >door to the gym. I forgot the name of the gym, too. Anyway, check it out! > > I will do that soon, thanks! It's called Par-ko or Parco or something like that. I think it's a Chinese word. Jeff jdcroft@*nospam*.best.com ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: Jeffrey Croft Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 17:41:58 -0700 Ezekiel Krahlin wrote: > >Ahhh, the 90s, when hanging out in coffee shops and riding public transportation is > >considered ascetic. > > That was only a quick outline. Living in low rent situations, I have > had to put up with reigns of terror by drug dealers and addicts. I > have also experienced many other forms of abuse, just for being low > income. But I believe I gave far more reason than just riding public > transit and hanging out in cafes, for my ascetic life. I was typing out a lengthy response to this message, but it's too much work and not enough return. I'm getting bored of the same thing over and over. I choose to stop playing now. Jeff jdcroft@*nospam*.best.com ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: Frank Martinez Lester Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 21:17:06 -0700 [[I was typing out a lengthy response to this message, but it's too much work and not enough return. I'm getting bored of the same thing over and over. I choose to stop playing now.>> Wise decision. I stopped listening when he started rhapsodizing about his dead lover coming back to life & the 2 of them saving the world. If this is his reality, it is his reality. I won't criticize or denigrate it, but I won't try to engage with it either. ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:10:21 GMT On Thu, 17 Sep 1998 21:17:06 -0700, Frank Martinez Lester wrote: >Wise decision. I stopped listening when he started rhapsodizing about his dead lover >coming back to life & the 2 of them saving the world. If this is his reality, it is his >reality. I won't criticize or denigrate it, but I won't try to engage with it either. I certainly don't mind when someone disagrees with me in a reasonable manner...as you have just shown. It is when some attack me with incredibly vile statements that are totally unjustified, that I have a bone to pick. --- Pennsylvania Dutch Gay Jesus says: "Throw the hetero over the fence some hay." --- The Final Testament, a Bible by and for Gays only: http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ I come like a thief in the night! --- Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: sheroux@europa.nospam.com (RavensHeart) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 10:06:33 GMT On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:31:42 GMT, ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) wrote: > >I think every gay person should get to San Francisco by hook or by >crook, within a month from now at the latest...even if it means going >homeless or broke. Some remarkable adventures are about to unfold >here...and apparantly (to me) I play one of the lead roles. > Then certainly it will be covered in the news. Moving there to join the ranks of the homeless and broke would hardly seem constructive...or is your lead role to be a complete "secret"? ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: cubsfan@cjnetworks.com (Mike Silverman) Date: 17 Sep 1998 17:57:10 -0500 In article <360182bc.12168283@nntp.sj.bigger.net>, ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com wrote: > On Thu, 17 Sep 1998 10:06:33 GMT, sheroux@europa.nospam.com > (RavensHeart) wrote: > > >>I think every gay person should get to San Francisco by hook or by > >>crook, within a month from now at the latest...even if it means going > >>homeless or broke. Some remarkable adventures are about to unfold > >>here...and apparantly (to me) I play one of the lead roles. > > >Then certainly it will be covered in the news. > > It certainly will...by which time no one will be *allowed to enter the > perimeters of the S.F. Bay Area...'cause we couldn't accommodate the > huge migration of visitors to this single destination! > > >Moving there to join the ranks of the homeless and broke would > >hardly seem constructive... > > How do you think I ever came to San Francisco in the first place? I > got here with not a penny to my name! > > >or is your lead role to be a complete "secret"? > > Nope. I'm letting the cat out of the bag. So let's not keep a secret --- what will the big event be? A 7.7 quake? An overhaul of Muni? A showing of "Valley of the Dolls" at the Castro Theater? -- Mike Silverman -- cubsfan at turnleft.com -- Lawrence, KS http://www.turnleft.com/personal ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:10:24 GMT On 17 Sep 1998 17:57:10 -0500, cubsfan@cjnetworks.com (Mike Silverman) wrote: >So let's not keep a secret --- what will the big event be? > >A 7.7 quake? An overhaul of Muni? A showing of "Valley of the Dolls" at >the Castro Theater? I've said what it will be at least twice: a rather extraordinary gay revolution. The other things you mentioned, may or may not be part of it. As a visionary, I see certain things in the future...but many parts of it, I do not. Will an earthquake mirror or signal this revolution? Perhaps. I do see an earthquake happening during the beginning of the gay uprising. But that would only be part of a series of major events that will accommodate gay victory. Definitely, mother nature will play a role in liberating gays...meaning, of course, that even acts of God will favor us. This new gay revolution will be part of the collective unconscious, thus in touch with primal, conscious forces that will not only work with us, but appear as miracles at times, in order to scare away homophobes and prevent a holocaust. The evangelist (Pat Robertson, was it?) who predicted terrible storms over Orlando, FL, for waving the gay flag...only had his own home area devastated...is an example of how deus ex machina will intervene on our behalf. However, this example is far less obvious that gays are being favored, than the "natural" disasters due to hit the regions of biblical dogma in the near future. It will even go so far as to focus hail storms, floods, fires and temblors...on a single home of certain evangelists. San Francisco will be isolated from the rest of this country, by forces impenetrable by any arm of the military. Perhaps even, a dome will enclose and protect our region, as we rebuild our city into the world's first gay city-state, New Athens. Then, when the dome lifts, we shall spread out and overtake Northern California, along with chunks of neighboring states...and declare ourselves a new nation: Athenia. As for the particulars in how this will take shape, I'll try to be as specific as possible: (1) My Pee Nuts parody will set off a fuse of gay revolution, as well as virulent attacks by homophobes in all levels of governement. (2) An earthquake may level a large part of the S.F. Bay Area...yet with very little damage to any human beings. Angels will work alongside of us, in rebuilding the gay Jerusalem. (3) Our guerrilla forces will take over much of the mainstream media...and no hetero will be able to turn us off. This goes for radio and the Internet, as well as television and newspaper. (4) We will have developed our own underground economy that grows so powerful, as to usurp the Amerikan economy, and make its citizens completely dependent on our queer currency. (5) Our ambassadors shall bring our declaration of gay freedom, to all other nations...and offer asylum to all lesbians and gays living in persecution in their home lands. (6) Many nations shall self destruct over the homosexual issue...and those that do, will become the colonized property of Athenia. --- Pennsylvania Dutch Gay Jesus says: "Throw the hetero over the fence some hay." --- The Final Testament, a Bible by and for Gays only: http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ I come like a thief in the night! --- Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: wstewart@hi.net (Ward Stewart) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 18:12:41 GMT On Thu, 17 Sep 1998 04:19:18 GMT, jmnorthw@gte.uce_is_icky.net (J. Northwood) wrote: >On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:31:42 GMT, ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel >Krahlin) wrote: > >>I fully agree...and that is why I remain open and vulnerable to all >>viewpoints. > >HAH! Your words and actions in this forum have certainly put the lie >to _that_ little misstatement. This pretentious twit soars to occasional heights of folly, the above is a winning example. It would seem that he sees himself as the "Grosse Fritz" of the new Gaydonia - still wounded over the death of Katte, he establishes himself as a messianic moron. ward *********************************************************** "I am constantly mystified by this notion of "disagreeing" with homosexuality -- not unlike disagreeing with Tuesday -- like it or not, every seven days, there it is -- TUESDAY. uncle ward *********************************************************** ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 20:16:07 GMT On Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:14:26 -0700, Jeffrey Croft wrote: >I don't think you'd find real shamans on usenet saying things like, "I do >a whole lot of things of a healing nature." I don't think real shamans >have any need to toot their own horn. Addendum: Just go to any of our spiritual type newsgroups, and you'll find many self-proclaimed shamans and the like. They sure are tooting their own horns...and good for them, as long as they're not charlatans. Here is a sampling: alt.religion.shamanism alt.techno-shamanism soc.religion.shamanism alt.magick alt.paranormal.channeling --- Pennsylvania Dutch Gay Jesus says: "Throw the hetero over the fence some hay." --- The Final Testament, a Bible by and for Gays only: http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ I come like a thief in the night! --- Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: Jeffrey Croft Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 18:01:50 -0700 Ezekiel Krahlin wrote: > >I don't think you'd find real shamans on usenet saying things like, "I do > >a whole lot of things of a healing nature." I don't think real shamans > >have any need to toot their own horn. > > Addendum: Just go to any of our spiritual type newsgroups, and you'll > find many self-proclaimed shamans and the like. They sure are tooting > their own horns...and good for them, as long as they're not > charlatans. Here is a sampling: You're right. As I said, there is no litmus test for finding a true healer, except whether or not his clients get better. It has been my general observation that people who spend lots of time tooting their own horns aren't as good as people who don't. It is, of course, not always true. All generalizations are false. :) Jeff jdcroft@*nospam*.best.com ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh ..... From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:31:50 GMT On Tue, 15 Sep 1998 18:01:50 -0700, Jeffrey Croft wrote: >You're right. As I said, there is no litmus test for finding a true healer, >except whether or not his clients get better. It has been my general >observation that people who spend lots of time tooting their own horns aren't >as good as people who don't. It is, of course, not always true. Well, if the angels tell me I *must toot my own horn at this time in my life--even if I'd rather not--then I toot my own horn. For whatever reason, God chooses not to let me be known for my gifts, except that he speak through my own voice. Do you see the silly quandary I am in? Again, the spirits toss me into an embarassing situation...just for the sheer joy of seeing how I once emerge again, like a lotus blossom in a cesspool. --- Pennsylvania Dutch Gay Jesus says: "Throw the hetero over the fence some hay." --- The Final Testament, a Bible by and for Gays only: http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ I come like a thief in the night! --- Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm

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